The epic fail of Beyond
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It should be weird. Instead, it's just Tuesday.
Yes it is....and no it isn't.
I think given the track record of FDev on implementing new content and fixing stuff there are many on these boards worried by that list of 'intentions' for a number of reasons and everyone has their own take on what they like/don't like, what's missing etc....
I myself am also worried by that list as I don't think it goes far enough however I'm prepared to be patient and wait for what they actually do. The problem with that stance is by that point it's too late.
I don't agree with the sentiment of the OP, it goes too far but I understand the concern.
So you would take all or nothing approach to things you want?
No wonder why this forum is full of complains.
Sorry....where did I say that?
Perhaps you could provide a direct quote from my post where I say it's 'all or nothing' to the things I want.
Or maybe just re-read the post.
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*ruffles paper work*
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*ruffling through more paper work*
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Ahhh here it is.. yes yes yes..
2015 FDEV smoking ahead with Horizons proudly for their new shiny space sim Elite Dangerous. Horizons released Dec 2015. WIN
2016 ED development slows down..
Planet Coaster launches Nov 2016 (ED development slows coincidentally with Coaster in full development?)
2017 Whilst expansions to Coaster continued ED got Holo-you and Thargoids?
..ruffles paperwork..
2018.. Q1 game twiddles?
..ruffles paperwork..
Coincidentally Jurassic World Evolution to be released around the time Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom comes out in Cinema June / July? That only leaves +/- 6 months for some serious development work to hammer that one out.
..ruffles papers..
The latter part of 2018 Q4 update suggests an upscale of ED development with
Squadrons
Fleet Carriers
Exploration and mining overhaul
Stellar forge updates
Seems unfortunate that if FDEV are working on other 'better' projects, ED gets the
I genuinely wish I was wrong
Fingers crossed NO other FDEV projects for 2019. Then we can expect more great stuff in ED.
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*ruffling through more paper work*
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Ahhh here it is.. yes yes yes..
2015 FDEV smoking ahead with Horizons proudly for their new shiny space sim Elite Dangerous. Horizons released Dec 2015. WIN
2016 ED development slows down..
Planet Coaster launches Nov 2016 (ED development slows coincidentally with Coaster in full development?)
2017 Whilst expansions to Coaster continued ED got Holo-you and Thargoids?
..ruffles paperwork..
2018.. Q1 game twiddles?
..ruffles paperwork..
Coincidentally Jurassic World Evolution to be released around the time Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom comes out in Cinema June / July? That only leaves +/- 6 months for some serious development work to hammer that one out.
..ruffles papers..
The latter part of 2018 Q4 update suggests an upscale of ED development with
Squadrons
Fleet Carriers
Exploration and mining overhaul
Stellar forge updates
Seems unfortunate that if FDEV are working on other 'better' projects, ED gets the
I genuinely wish I was wrong
Fingers crossed NO other FDEV projects for 2019. Then we can expect more great stuff in ED.
Where did it slow down?
Somewhat more then that. But hey.
Ah, ha ha ha. I am assuming this is a joke. So do you think all the work for the Q4 update will be done in a few months. Looks like another person that knows nothing about game development but acts like they know everything. What a ridiculous post.
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Not really, because the approach itself seems to be missing the point. Look at the C&P livestream - Sandro said "We'd like to address SDC's proposal", which was an epic post which showed a lot of thought and consideration as to how to fix it. "Great!", thinks I...we're going to get a good discussion here!
Nope. What we got was 45 seconds of Sandro picking a couple of sentences as though they were individual feature requests and saying, "No, we don't like that". Absolutely no consideration given to the fact that their proposal was meant to be considered as a whole interconnected system, the parts of which work together to make the endeavour more compelling...
This is the problem with FDev's apparent development approach - they think in terms of individual features rather than the system as a whole. That's absolutely brilliant for development schedules and satisfying investors alike, but it's also why the game seems like a bunch of disconnected "things" which don't really form a cohesive whole.
Here's the thing, though...so many folk here seem to want it to be "Elite's brilliant! It's just going to get better!" or "Elite's a horrible mess, totally doomed!". I suppose that's the Internet effect, taking a nuanced and complex issue and reducing it to a binary choice. However, it's very true that Elite: Dangerous is a phenomenal achievement and there's a hell of a lot of good stuff in there; the problem is that almost all of that good stuff was built up to and including the release of 2.0; since then, there hasn't been a huge amount of properly-connected stuff put into the game, and that's where we come to Beyond: that development trend seems to be set to continue. They're focused on ticking off improvements to individual features and subsystems, when they should be looking at making it feel like everything's intertwined.
That's what would make the game more compelling. I just can't understand why they're trying to avoid it, apart from the fact that it's hard; difficulty shouldn't be a barrier, though, in a game of Elite's technical distinction.
That’s a good summary of how I feel, nice post.
I can't argue with it either.
Beyond hasn't failed epic-ally. But my bank account is not happy with not waiting the three years...
SDC's proposals were ridiculous and proposed a whole separate game within the game. I am not sure why anyone thought it was a good idea.
Perfectly valid opinion - I disagree, but that wasn't my point. SDC's solution made most of the game into a cohesive whole; Sandro (on FDev's behalf) either failed to understand that (thus underlining my point) or understood but failed to address it (which does the players a disservice, and I don't think this is something he would've done).
By contrast, FDev's proposal is piecemeal and amounts to tidying up a couple of small, poorly-designed features rather than making it gel with the whole.
I don't like what they stand for either; whenever they're in the same place as me, I oppose them (with all the rebuys I can muster...).
However, there's something about SDC that I don't think FDev want to admit: they've spent so much time investigating the game's underlying mechanics, and how things can work together in unexpected (and un-designed) ways, that it's entirely possible they know ED better than the people who wrote it; they certainly understand how to play it better than anybody at FDev. At this point, I'm somewhat amazed that they haven't had a call from FDev to talk it out, because they're basically the experts.
It's worth noting that SDC's proposal was equal parts Crime and Punishment - nothing in their post could possibly have tipped the scales in their favour; quite the opposite.
AH ! finally CARRIERS ... so Frontier you like my ideas so much, what about my other 'ONE' !
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UPDATE 2016 Carriers, Proximity Chat, Bookmarks
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/239890-UPDATE-2016-Carriers-Proximity-Chat-Bookmarks
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UPDATE 2016 Carriers, Proximity Chat, Bookmarks
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/239890-UPDATE-2016-Carriers-Proximity-Chat-Bookmarks
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To add on that:
I have yet to see a compelling
mechanic developed by FD that does
add to the game, without adding grind,
outcrying and controversy,
or being a half-reared implementation.
Adressing issues is not giving treats (updates)
to players and saying that we eventually
see the other half/halves of it.
The lack of interconnections in elite
is a thing the engineer-forcing-into-playstyles
mechanic made more and more apparent.
Though SDC's proposal was really neat, Fdev did say a complete overhaul on a huge level wasn't their intention. I'm surprised everyone is so outraged and well...surprised. I think beyond is a lovely first step. I didn't expect it to be the year everything changes for the better. I mean, they're letting us give feedback and they're implementing this stuff soon. Who really thought we could ask for a huge overhaul for any of it?
A smart person said:
Where there is smoke, there is fire.
Now players say:
Where there is crime, their is punishment.
It is not logical to disconnect crime from punishment.
Elite has no real crime, there are no sufficient mechanics
for crime to be considered a major, advertised role
in this galaxy.
So even if FD doesn't like it,
if they want a living breathing galaxy
they need to go the extra steps.
Otherwise they just can ditch the whole punishment process,
as i still fail to see what that would add to the game.
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