Flagging griefers

[Deleted member 115407]

You are hilarious. Outside of CGs, current event or maybe engineers you rarely see other players. If you fly aggressively and use threat assessment on every commander you can avoid most trouble. It works in real life and it works here too.

lol - that's kind of awesome, Mchorror. "Fly agressively" - I wish I had thought of boiling it down to such a succinct description

 

[Kaa Mchorror]

You mistook a point cmdr. The GTA public lobby equivalence to EDs open mode was not meant to describe the toxicity level but only the PVP capability.

Mind you...IF ED's galaxy became as small as GTA 5's map and ED had even a minor fraction of the players in GTA5....guess what...IT WOULD BE as toxic if not MORE so.

You still miss the point. If you know what your enemy is likely to do you can avoid the situation entirely or put them in a compromising position. You refuse to do this.

I doubt that you and I will agree on anything. I'm not trying to make too many assumptions but I'm pretty sure that you and I play this game for different reasons. I enjoy outsmarting the "bad guys". I get a rush avoiding death without firing a shot. I enjoy thwarting a rammers attempt to ruin my day. In the end the more I succeed the worse their gaming session will be (reverse griefing). If you can get a kill in on top of it even better. I get to waste their time and maybe get into a position to kill them. That is the reason I enjoy this game.

 

[Kaa Mchorror]

lol - that's kind of awesome, Mchorror. "Fly agressively" - I wish I had thought of boiling it down to such a succinct description

I get a lot of "please don't" messages even though I have no ill intent. I figured it fit.

 

[nosleepdemon]

There was a Python there last night trying to knock people about, unfortunately my DBS isn't super heavy but I did give him a little nudge that I think helped free an Asp he was boosting into a wall. By the way Ngalia is the destination of a community goal at the moment, so expect death, disruption and hilarity.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

I get a lot of "please don't" messages even though I have no ill intent. I figured it fit.

And again, if you say that sentence in Oderus Urungus' voice, it's comedy gold.

 

[RagingxPenguin]

Almost think this is the wrong Forum I think this should be moved to the PVP forum shouldn't it mods?

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Almost think this is the wrong Forum I think this should be moved to the PVP forum shouldn't it mods?

Should it be? Is OP complaining about PvP, or about lack of reasonable and realistic game mechanics?

 

[Rafe Zetter]

So, I have only been playing long enough to get truly addicted and buy gear that is likely to be more dangerous to me than anyone else. Elite explorer, pampers level combat. I've largely been to occupied with some heinous grind to get in cg's or they relate to something I find questionable (for example, you want me to haul out to California sector and protect authorities that are likely cultivating mycoid). A recent (current) one for Sirius Inc hits home for me, literally as I already had ships in Ngalia, so there I went.... To find a band of griefers. They were ramming in station, wedging players in the slot, taunting on comms, and interdicting and destroying all comers who managed to get out or away from the station. Our recourse? Play in solo or pg. That isn't an answer Nor is it what I paid for. I've seen Fdev saying a revamp of C&P was in the works.... Great. Insufficient. Apparently WOW, which I never played, had a simple solution of players being able to tag players being malicious. That game operated successfully for Years. Why reinvent the wheel? Even IF, in it's laziest implementation a flag carried no repurcussions, it would still be a warning to other commanders. Being in open is Not consent(thanks to Cmdr Plater for his vid on this topic) to be the focus of entertainment for some fully engineered twit. In a haz res site, perhaps. Leaving dock, in station, in front of it under the noses of 'system authority' vessels? No. Absolutely not. Every discord group I mention this in has the approach of 'we play in solo'. Disgraceful. You have had 3 to 30 years(depending on one's perspective) to at least Attempt a solution for this fdev. You haven't created a sandbox, you've created a dark alley playground for pathetic bullies. For the record, I didn't switch to solo or pg. I went from rebuy screen to rebuy screen, even bought a disposable vulture for some policing, until I just turned it off.

You make a good argument and a week ago I would have agreed with you, now however I've come to a different conclusion after some investigation, into my personal theories.

This is being done in part for "teh lulz" by some players jumping on the bandwagon - but also to HIGHLIGHT the utter stupidity of a player being able / allowed to do all these things by the wholly ineffective BGS and AI.

A higher percentage than you might think of those "bullies", are doing it because they can, NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT, but because the game ALLOWS IT, which is wholly different.

As you say - INSIDE a station and INSIDE the zone you would think the station security should react to. Previously this was going on in starter systems until FDev finally took steps to reduce it, but elsewhere it's still rampant.

This is also happening because FDev "allow it" by ommission of doing anything effective to stop it when complaints are made, either with warnings or sanctions against the accounts in question.

Gueromarinero (or anyone else), please do not make the mistake of beleiving I'm on the side of griefers, I'm not and have made that VERY VERY clear in the years I've been on the forum (and I dedicated part of my life to stopping the "bullies" of society, at personal risk) but when you start to look at the wider picture and actually ask a few pertinent questions in the right places, and the answers you get are not "me smash you huh!" but articulate, intelligent and clearly the result of more than a few minutes thought, the entire situation of this sort of behaviour becomes clearer.

My conclusion is that this antisocial behaviour is a campaign of sorts to force FDevs hand into action:

"lets see just how bad we can make the game in OPEN for players before FDev do something to fix the incredibly flawed BGS mechanics"

So far the answer seems to be "as bad as you can possibly think of, for THREE YEARS AND COUNTING"

With something like 90% of the playerbase in groups or solo.

Considering one of the next big content updates is a rebuilt Crime & Punishment mechanic - I'd say it's working.

For those of you who might argue that the C & P is happening because this was happening anyway, you're only half right, because in truth just DAYS after the game was launched we had the real ACTUAL griefers in disposable sideys doing the same thing - FDev ignored it for months, and some players saw that FDev were going to continue to ignore it and decided the only way to effect change was to make the situation so untenable for new players, FDev had NO CHOICE but to address it.

Gueromarinero - what you and others have been victim of is more of the same - because instead of FIXING the same situation last time at the roots so it couldn't happen elsewhere or again, they just stuck a plaster over it.

Many of you are probably not even aware that there have been concerted planned efforts to do this same exercise for several other parts of the game that were "broken" - and in turn it forced FDev to change it.

It seems to be the only language they respond to.

 

[Avago Earo]

Almost think this is the wrong Forum I think this should be moved to the PVP forum shouldn't it mods?

Why did you say that? Mods? You wanna know about MODS?

[video=youtube_share;sVHT5fLrX2k]https://youtu.be/sVHT5fLrX2k[/video]

 

[nosleepdemon]

Almost think this is the wrong Forum I think this should be moved to the PVP forum shouldn't it mods?

The mods probably will send it to PvP, which is where they like to hide the less agreeable portions of the community. Anything to sweep the nastiness under the rug Still if you fly in open without the expectation of being visited by Mr Rebuy every now and then, you've only yourself to blame.

 

[lokvette]

Should it be? Is OP complaining about PvP, or about lack of reasonable and realistic game mechanics?

Who knows the other one which spurred the post you quoted was moved to the pvp section and that was about CL, I have never CL on a person but have done it on an npc (no it wasn't a cash thing it was the fact I would have lost about 3 hours of play, and no I dont care past giving this reason what anyone thinks of my play style, did once not done it again in over 1400 hrs of game play.) thus the subject was not pvp only...but I digress.

I take it the OP in this case was talking about flags for pvp or flags for the bottom feeders Im unsure I dont mind reading a wall of text if its broken up into chunks but that all got a bit blurry after the first three lines.

 

[Martian Successor]

So, I have only been playing long enough to get truly addicted and buy gear that is likely to be more dangerous to me than anyone else. Elite explorer, pampers level combat. I've largely been to occupied with some heinous grind to get in cg's or they relate to something I find questionable (for example, you want me to haul out to California sector and protect authorities that are likely cultivating mycoid). A recent (current) one for Sirius Inc hits home for me, literally as I already had ships in Ngalia, so there I went.... To find a band of griefers. They were ramming in station, wedging players in the slot, taunting on comms, and interdicting and destroying all comers who managed to get out or away from the station. Our recourse? Play in solo or pg. That isn't an answer Nor is it what I paid for. I've seen Fdev saying a revamp of C&P was in the works.... Great. Insufficient. Apparently WOW, which I never played, had a simple solution of players being able to tag players being malicious. That game operated successfully for Years. Why reinvent the wheel? Even IF, in it's laziest implementation a flag carried no repurcussions, it would still be a warning to other commanders. Being in open is Not consent(thanks to Cmdr Plater for his vid on this topic) to be the focus of entertainment for some fully engineered twit. In a haz res site, perhaps. Leaving dock, in station, in front of it under the noses of 'system authority' vessels? No. Absolutely not. Every discord group I mention this in has the approach of 'we play in solo'. Disgraceful. You have had 3 to 30 years(depending on one's perspective) to at least Attempt a solution for this fdev. You haven't created a sandbox, you've created a dark alley playground for pathetic bullies. For the record, I didn't switch to solo or pg. I went from rebuy screen to rebuy screen, even bought a disposable vulture for some policing, until I just turned it off.

Welcome to Elite Dangerous. Free of consequences for those being richards and those caught cheating while at the same time hindering honest players from being able to fight back. You can pretty much guarrantee those station rammers will combat log if caught out away from the safety of the very station they are trolling.

A global wide "bad hombre" flag sounds interesting on paper but in practice it's open to abuse. One could go around flagging random players as "griefers" for no reason at all just to see them get interdicted constantly by others. It will just become the troll players new greifing toy. FD's answer to their own inability to implement a karma system and proper crime and punishment is the player block feature. Itself open to abuse as greifers can just as easily block anyone coming for them.

 

[Deleted member 115407]

Why did you say that? Mods? You wanna know about MODS?

https://youtu.be/sVHT5fLrX2k

I made that joke in a discord the other day, and it was met with crickets.

 

[Weps]

Almost think this is the wrong Forum I think this should be moved to the PVP forum shouldn't it mods?

Nah, that forum's for complaints about CLogging or other dirt FDEV wants to sweep under the rug. But given enough attention, it might still make it there. Quick! Post in an angrily tone!

 

[Martian Successor]

Big discussion abt CL on another thread, up to 60 plus pages by now! This subject is discussed also

Not anymore. Mods hid the thread in the place where threads go to die and then closed it anyway cos they decided it was taking too long to die. That's apparently how freedom of speech is treated on this forum as of 2018.

 

[RagingxPenguin]

Guess it only applies to threads that are undesirable.


I'd be fine with a flagging system.

It should also apply to those that disconnected intentionally from combat


*ninja'd multiple times

 

[Martian Successor]

Nah, that forum's for complaints about CLogging or other dirt FDEV wants to sweep under the rug. But given enough attention, it might still make it there. Quick! Post in an angrily tone!

I am posting in an angrily tone

 

[nosleepdemon]

You make a good argument and a week ago I would have agreed with you, now however I've come to a different conclusion after some investigation, into my personal theories.

This is being done in part for "teh lulz" by some players jumping on the bandwagon - but also to HIGHLIGHT the utter stupidity of a player being able / allowed to do all these things by the wholly ineffective BGS and AI.

A higher percentage than you might think of those "bullies", are doing it because they can, NOT BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT, but because the game ALLOWS IT, which is wholly different.

As you say - INSIDE a station and INSIDE the zone you would think the station security should react to. Previously this was going on in starter systems until FDev finally took steps to reduce it, but elsewhere it's still rampant.

This is also happening because FDev "allow it" by ommission of doing anything effective to stop it when complaints are made, either with warnings or sanctions against the accounts in question.

Gueromarinero (or anyone else), please do not make the mistake of beleiving I'm on their side, I'm not and have made that VERY VERY clear in the years I've been on the forum (and I dedicated part of my life to stopping the "bullies" of society, at personal risk) but when you start to look at the wider picture and actually ask a few pertinent question in the right places, and the answers you get are not "me smash huh!" but articulate, intelligent and clearly the result of more than a few minutes thought, the entire situation of this sort of behaviour becomes clearer.

My conclusion is that this antisocial behaviour is a campaign of sorts to force FDevs hand into action:

"lets see just how bad we can make the game in OPEN for players before FDev do something to fix the incredibly flawed BGS mechanics"

So far the answer seems to be "as bad as you can possibly think of, for THREE YEARS AND COUNTING"

With something like 90% of the playerbase in groups or solo.

Considering one of the next big content updates is a rebuilt Crime & Punishment mechanic - I'd say it's working.

For those of you who might argue that the C & P is happening because this was happening anyway, you're only half right, because in truth just DAYS after the game was launched we had the real ACTUAL griefers in disposable sideys doing the same thing - FDev ignored it for months, and some players saw that FDev were going to continue to ignore it and decided the only way to effect change was to make the situation so untenable for new players, FDev had NO CHOICE but to address it.

Gueromarinero - what you and others have been victim of is more of the same - because instead of FIXING the situation at the roots so it couldn't happen elsewhere or again, they just stuck a plaster over it.

Dear Lord, what did I just read?

Griefers absolutely murder other players for the lulz. The reason you get, as you say, articulate responses from them is because shockingly, you can be a player killer AND a perfectly intelligent human being.

The big difference between griefers and ... Uh, cry babies, is that griefers fully understand the distinction between real life and fantasy. To this end, losing some virtual credits or ships or what not simply isn't concerning to them. Why? Now one could argue, "but cmdr nosleepdemon, when a player dies they still lose time!". To this I say, if you didn't already have enough fun spending that time, you may be a little too heavily invested into make believe!

 

[Martian Successor]

Sometimes...if not all the time, contrast is necessary to appreciate what IS.

The most financially successful game in history and probably still is, is GTA 5. They force the player who wants to play with content that goes beyond basic missions to play in the very VERY toxic "Public lobby" which is equivalent to ED's open mode.

Go play there a while and see if you can get into it. The action mechanics and graphics is in a league of its own.
And IF you can get into the game and git gud enough to enjoy DLC missions that's when it will dawn on you what FD offers players here in these other modes that many for god knows what reason scoffs at.

If I were at the FD helm, I would help you all come to this appreciation by forcing all of you to play in the open with the same GTA 5 mentality of...ANYTHING GOES ,for about 6 months and then watch those of you that incredibly spit at these other mode options take a knee and cry for these mode options to return.

Yeah, because allowing all three physically seperated modes to engage equally in indirect PvP via the BGS is the best idea everest and will totally not result in toxic troll fests and a greifers paradise.

 

[Unshackled AI]

https://youtu.be/1aMT1ld9RMc

...[smile]