The epic fail of Beyond

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babelfisch

babelfisch
NecoMachina said:
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes you look like a white knight. Just because it could have been worse doesn't mean they got it right. So someone makes a point that they didn't "get it right" and you have to jump in and defend the devs. You can't just let him make his point and leave it there, even though by your own account you agree that there are lots of things the devs got wrong.
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No, it doesn't and you calling me a white knight makes you look like an idiot in my eyes. Please stop it. I don't think you are an idiot, so please don't take this as an offense, but that's just how your post looks even when I know better. When I said the game could've been even worse I implied that the game already has issues, and that it would be even worse if they didn't take their time. A white knight would never do that, he would just say that the game doesn't have any issues and move on. I tried to make fun of FDEV instead. And yet you are so blind and full of antipathy that you automatically assume that I must be a mindless fanboy and white knight defending everything they do because I am such an idiot. That's quite insulting.
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes you look like a white knight. Just because it could have been worse doesn't mean they got it right. So someone makes a point that they didn't "get it right" and you have to jump in and defend the devs. You can't just let him make his point and leave it there, even though by your own account you agree that there are lots of things the devs got wrong.
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No, it means that his opinion about aspects of the game and game overall and developers differs from yours. You both can have actual good opinions and none of you will be white or dark knight or moaner or whatever.
 

Kubicide

Kubicide
babelfisch said:
No, it doesn't and you calling me a white knight makes you look like an idiot in my eyes. Please stop it. I don't think you are an idiot, so please don't take this as an offense, but that's just how your post looks even when I know better. When I said the game could've been even worse I implied that the game already has issues, and that it would be even worse if they didn't take their time. A white knight would never do that, he would just say that the game doesn't have any issues and move on. I tried to make fun of FDEV instead. And yet you are so blind and full of antipathy that you automatically assume that I must be a mindless fanboy and white knight defending everything they do because I am such an idiot. That's quite insulting.
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Actually, you most certainly do look like the description of a white knight - time and time again. Don't kid yourself here. This game has issues; it's not perfect. And the points being raised by many are valid. But this thread isn't about you. It's about speculating on Beyond. And as of right now there's little to defend what Beyond will be but lots of evidence to suggest it will disappoint as many of the core issues have not been mentioned as things being fixed.

Defend away. As Sun Tzu said "defend only that which needs defending". Think about it...
 
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BirdWisdom

BirdWisdom
Marcus Tullius said:
Let me put this here at the last day of the year and I will come back to it at the same day next year to see if I was right or wrong.

I saw the clue in other thread which leads to conclusion as topic says about Beyond. The last update *The Squadrons* was announced with these words:

* Squadrons - Players like working together, w so we’re going to add a new organisation structure for player groups, called Squadrons. You’ll be able to create your own squadron with tools to manage its hierarchy and membership. Squadrons will feature enhanced communication options, making it easier to coordinate your efforts, whether you’re doing completing community goals, supporting your power or manipulating the background simulation. And as a little treat, squadrons will be able to purchase a fleet carrier, giving members a mobile base of operations where they can restock, refuel and respawn.*

If we liken the BGS to a house at the present state of the game, we, the players, are allowed to repaint the fence. We have small brushes and limited choice of colors to do the job. We have already repainted the fence in all colors of the rainbow… countless times and we are fed up with this. We have said thousands of times in forum: repainting the fence is shallow activity, boring. We want to build a dog hut in the corner of backyard. We need a hammer, saw, nails and few boards, that’s all. What we will have instead in Q4 2018? A huge tractor capable of digging holes, but we will be allowed to repaint the fence with it. Can you smell disappointment? CG, PP and BGS manipulation were, are and will be shallow gameplay despite the way they will be carried out. Nobody sane could be personally engaged in any activity which doesn’t benefit him. CG, PP and BGS will always be exploited by players in short term but cannot provide gameplay to keep players busy for years.

A lot hopes are concentrated in Beyond. It was announced as *Beyond will focus on three things: narrative progression, enhancements and development of the core experience and adding new features and content to the game.*

Repainting the fence with different and more powerful tools is not new feature and content. It is the same shallow and boring gameplay we chew for three years and apparently forth is underway. One of my very first comments in this forum was about the ridiculous C&P system back in the middle of 2015. It took two and half years to someone to realize that the game needs more adequate C&P system. I’ve seen a lot of rage quits in forum because of lack of C&P system i.e. the FD has lost its customers. How many inadequate design decisions the game can take and why?

Another my comment at this time was that nobody will take PP seriously, because nobody will put efforts for prosperity, honor and glory of NPC. Unfortunately I was right: PP is dead, will I be right this time?
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It's the second time I say this is, why build something on the surface than you can mobile it in the universe ?
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Kubicide said:
Actually, you most certainly do look like the description of a white knight - time and time again. Don't kid yourself here. This game has issues; it's not perfect. And the points being raised by many are valid. But this thread isn't about you. It's about speculating on Beyond. And as of right now there's little to defend what Beyond will be but lots of evidence to suggest it will disappoint as many of the core issues have not been mentioned as things being fixed.

Defend away. As Sun Tzu said "defend only that which needs defending". Think about it...
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I made ~ 11k posts on this forum, I suggest you go and read them before calling me a white knight. I always point out how the game has flaws, how it's not perfect. I also always say how I hate the Engineers, the lack of NPC crew and wings, all the stupid defensive modules like HRPs, MRPs, SB, SCBs and the lack of cockpit cats. I also often complain about multicrew, CQC and PP. Just because my personal criticism differs from yours itdoesn't mean it doesn't exist.
In the meantime, if you want to discuss Beyond and not me, I suggest you stop attacking me.
 

Marcus Tullius

Marcus Tullius
BirdWisdom said:
It's the second time I say this is, why build something on the surface than you can mobile it in the universe ?
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Maybe I was not clear enough in my opening post: my point is not about what you can build but what you can do with it. Mobile megaship will be detached from BGS as much as the ships we have now.
 

-VR- Max Factor

-VR- Max Factor
Marcus Tullius said:
Maybe I was not clear enough in my opening post: my point is not about what you can build but what you can do with it. Mobile megaship will be detached from BGS as much as the ships we have now.
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And so they shouldnt be. Fleet carriers can be used for lots of different things. There is no need for them to be a part of the BGS.
 
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Stinja

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babelfisch said:
I always point out how the game has flaws, how it's not perfect. I also always say how I hate the Engineers, the lack of NPC crew and wings, all the stupid defensive modules like HRPs, MRPs, SB, SCBs and the lack of cockpit cats. I also often complain about multicrew, CQC and PP.
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Core issue right there, and much more important to raise than exposed conda wires, mis-aligned python scooping or chrome-is-more-like-matte-aluminium "issues".

FDev plz - cockpit cats noaw!
 

Strangepork

Strangepork
babelfisch said:
So because they don't turn the game into Minecraft-Eve-Life is Feudal Beyond will fail? Nobody will like the improvements to planet tech because you can't build your base?



No, a C&P overhaul is on the todo list since quite some time, longer than you are a member of the forum. Everyone agreed that it's necessary the Devs, the community, the SDC, it's just a matter of priorities.
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The plans for this next years development are so slim, its hard to believe ED is not on the back burner.
 
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Lucifera Danzig

Lucifera Danzig
Stinja said:
Core issue right there, and much more important to raise than exposed conda wires, mis-aligned python scooping or chrome-is-more-like-matte-aluminium "issues".

FDev plz - cockpit cats noaw!
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Exposed wiring never really seemed like an issue at all, really. They have them in space, and in service vehicles. Cosmetic stuff adds weight, extra things that can go flying if they break off, and extra fumes if things catch fire.

The Python scooping thing, however, I've heard about. Haven't experienced it in mine, but that would indeed be annoying.

I'm torn between wanting a cat on the ship and not wanting the poor thing to get vented into space if my ship explodes.
 
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