Thargoid attacks on stations, reaction of the community - I'm having flashbacks of Bast

verminstar

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Ye ok so we are on their patch, built stations without their permission and stole their resources without a care in the world. It’s like the pilgrims meeting the wild injuns and wondering why they so vexed with us.

Frontier won’t allow the situation to deteriorate so in doing nothing, nothing really changes as frontier will change it according to their plan that only they know about.

When it’s more than that one very easily avoided region, then there’s something to worry about...atm it’s just meh whatever ^
 
This. ... and a Rep. for Kayweg for not having to type it myself. :D

Ditto!

I watched Obsidian Ant's latest video last night which included some commentary about the ridiculously HUGE amount of materials each and every damaged station will need to bring it back online. These efforts are on a CG level of community investment, yet there are no significant rewards being offered, or any real sense of urgency attached.

Ironic that this video was released on the eve of Obsidian Orbital itself becoming the latest victim of the Thargoid rath! I wonder how long it will take the community to repair this station? No doubt it will get repaired long before any of the lesser known and previously attacked stations, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it still takes a significant amount of time.

As usual, I am at a loss to explain Frontier's approach to handling all of this stuff. Are they actually surprised by the lack of community interest in repairing these damaged stations? Any of us could have predicted what is happening right now with the complete lack of interest/enthusiasm. [rolleyes][weird][ugh]

Frontier ran the whole Community Goal mechanic into the ground in 2017. Most players I know in the community are suffering from a serious case of CG burnout.

So tacking on yet another CG type of activity to the repair of these stations, while removing what little motivation most players have with these ($$$) is about as tone deaf a decision as I think a game developer can make.
 
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I say let that prophecy fulfill then.
It would be really interesting to see how far FD would be willing to let the situation deteriorate.
How much carnage are they willing to accept to happen to the game world they created ?
How much real impact will they allow ?
Figure they shut down the servers, end ED and tell us "sorry, you failed guys" ?
EDDB lists just over 67,000 stations, so at 3 a week the Thargoids will take out the last one in approximately 2450.

If they just went for the 40,000 orbital stations, they could be finished by 2275.

That's not to say they won't speed up, of course, but I don't imagine Frontier will feel the need to slow them down any time soon.
 
The strangest attack was the prison ship, again nobody knows (as far as I'm aware) What was onboard the prison ship with the crew and inmates.

A captured Thargoid "specimen", kept there for research purposes ;)

Meanwhile, Mr. Palin sits safely on his little moon, while the Thargoids light the fires right up to Armstrong Enterprise...his base was not part of the attack plan as posted on Galnet.

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O7,
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I play (use to play) ED for fun. Taking X to Y (as part of a CG) - we're talking 3+ year old mechanics here - wasn't ever particularly taxing/interesting, so what makes it more so now?

This particular bit of space trucking isn't for me, either. But thats ok, there are plenty of other aspects of the game I'm happy to indulge in.

Go do the in game things you do enjoy.
 
The Thargoids are obviously targeting Aegis stations at the moment. So whether they will ever attack the bubble is still up for debate. I'd also point out that most of the stations destroyed aren't really very significant as they have all been added somewhat recently. Only Obsidian Orbital now is a station of consequence.
 
My thoughts run along the lines of....

1) Thargoids are NOT destroying the stations just putting them out of action. As has already been pointed out this is a statement - GO AWAY !
2) So far they've restricted themselves to stations which have obvious involvment in research about them - Yet another more pointed Statement along the linses of - WE DON'T WANT YOU SNOOPING ON US

My recommendation would be get out of Dodge - A 'limited' tactical withdrawal abandon the attacked stations AND maybe a few of those in the area infested with Non-Human USS's

Let's respond with a message of our own that may de-escalate the rising tention between the races - let's create a 'Neutral Zone'.
 
The question nobody’s asking is

“where are the authorities during these attacks?”

if it’s been worked out by the arm chair generals on the forum that the attacks are, presently, aimed solely at aegis stations then how come the military masterminds of the authorities haven’t worked this out and defended these stations? How difficult is it to have a huge combined military fleet situated in the sector ready to respond to these attacks and drive off the thargoids? Or is it the authorities are intentionally letting the Thargoids attack these stations to stoke the fires of war in their favour. They wouldn’t be the first governments to ignore the portents or to mould them to their own agendas.
 
The question nobody’s asking is

“where are the authorities during these attacks?”

I suspect the answer to that, is this:

Or is it the authorities are intentionally letting the Thargoids attack these stations to stoke the fires of war in their favour. They wouldn’t be the first governments to ignore the portents or to mould them to their own agendas.

That and the more traditional super-power militaries viewing the secretive "cross power" Aegis group with contempt, suspicion, jealousy, or all of the preceding [yesnod]
 
Forget Power Play, that thing you've actually been working on each week, and start hauling endless mats for our reasons instead of your own.

Tell them to nerf those ridiculous time sink inducing numbers and we'll think about it.

Like you said, what if they attack 3 a week, it literally wouldn't be possible for us to haul that many mats, so then we have to select which stations to save? Yet we can't even as a player base have a civil discussion about Open mode.

I have flown out to the Pleiades Sector many times over the past weeks and months, scanning Thargoids and seeing what I could learn, I have not been attacked by a single one. People on the other hand, we attack them and each other at every opportunity.

it's 3303 and slavery is still a thing, poverty is still a thing. I say we are the parasitical vermin... Yeah I bought my Xeno Ally Decals, and what?!
 
I disagree - FD may have a plan/storyline in mind but player actions do influence how they implement it into the game.

The first Cerberus plague took many weeks, many affected stations and many CGs before commanders got coordinated and brought it under control in Bast. Remember the second outbreak though? No? That's because when it first flared up (bloody Palin again ...) several groups, The Teabaggers amongst them, put in a huge effort in the CG to get that one to a level that everything was contained, even though the targets we really high and we only just made it. I don't know for a fact but I did hear that this sank a story arc they had planned for a second outbreak - so don't think player action has no impact just 'cos the implementation of certain steps is manual from FDs side.

The manual implementation (both of the event and of the result) is at the very heart of it all.
FD sets the goalpost, players performs action, FD implements result.
And not always have the results been known beforehand, which in turn allows FD to move the goalposts if they so wish.
Tier hasn't been reached to unlock the new module ? Put it in into a lower tier in the next CG.
Tier not been reached to repair that station service ? Lower the requirements next week.
I am not claiming that FD has actually ever done any of this.
However the system can be manipulated and steered that way, and once you got that thought into your head, it's impossible to get rid of the feeling of being a mere puppet on FD's string when it comes to these events and CGs.
Yes, it might feel like "impact" if you're willing to accept the illusion and are somehow able to continue to do so.
I am not trying to burst bubbles, everybody should of course enjoy what's on offer and what appeals to them.

Let's say, and perhaps this would have been unachievable from a programming point of view, the Thargoids would have been implemented as a clever new independently acting AI/algorithm.
Attacking stations in real-time at random places at random times, where players could have intervened if they managed to respond quickly and in numbers, after galaxy wide transmitted distress calls and breaking GalNet news alerts.
Or where stations, after a successful attack, would have spawned missions by themselves to have station services restored and supplies brought in.
See that's what i would call real player impact, a situation arises by itself and players handle it by themselves.
The one example where the game offers something like this, even though it might annoy a number of people when it happens, is the UA/meta alloy mechanic.
You never know when or where it happens, but you can counter it by yourself without outside intervention.

My bottom line would be, as long as FD refuses to give up (or at least loosen) their 100% grip and control over this game world, and finds ways for the game itself to throw up more of these emergent situations, i will (note, didn't say "we";)) always struggle to take any of these events and story arcs (or my participation in them) as impactful.
Cut the strings.

EDIT: As i finished my reply, the thread has been moved to the Alien sub-forum.
And that, in a nutshell, fittingly describes what the Thargoids are, a sub-forum topic.:)
 
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They could have simply told us that. They can communicate with us. They chose not to.

The Oresrians can - the Klaxians have never met humans before. IMO these are the Klaxians arriving to check out what seems to be Oresrian territory, only they instead find it abandoned and then space monkeys in tin cans start showing up...
 
The values are ridiculous! They are the same for a CG with the goal to build a new station, nor repairing one that's already built. If FD doesnt change the values and/or makes AEGIS pay an extra $$ per ton. These stations will be in repair status forever. With maybe Obsidian Orbital being the exception because the player base is fond of it! I personally dont care. It's a pirate infested nest!
 
Sorry but no.
I am not going to get my soul ripped out
akin to the mummyfication techniques of ancient
egypt, by having to haul stuff there.

Wake me up as soon as E: D becomes interactive
and i can contribute by escorting NPC convoys.
 
The thargoids are attacking at their pace according to their plan.

We dont know what their plan is.

We dont know what their final objective is

We dont even know where their bases are


What we need are plans of our own to deal with this instead of random pew pew with an individual ship

Hey superpowers......... whats your big idea for protecting us out here in the pleiades or is it a case of stuff you we're ok in the bubble


I suspect the current thargoid plan is to drive humans out of the pleiades area so they can move their big ships in and salvage what they can from those crashed hive ships (or even repair the 156 or so hive ships that are still active in some way)
What then? Revenge for the mycoid....... Cerberus plague times 10 000 most likely..... why else would they be so interested in human escape pods....... for their experiments...[woah]

Bill

Location: on patrol somewhere near Merope [uhh]
 
Anyone remembering the Cerberus Plague?
Station after station getting closed down - really closed down, not the close down we get nowadays with most services directly affecting players still working.

Most CMDRs simply didn't care as there was no profit to be made and it didn't directly affect them.

When I look at the current situation I get the uncanny feeling that history is about to repeat. OK, without exponential grow, but again we are facing a situation where station after station stops working and nobody really cares.

Currently we have 12 stations (I think) that are not operational in the Pleiades. Obviously there are a lot of stations in that region.
But what happens if the Thargoids run out of stations in the Pleiades?

Will they stop?
What if they don't stop?
What if they keep destroying 3 station every week?
At what point is the community willing to actually do something?

What if the Thargoids will keep attacking stations in the Pleiades and only attack the bubble if all station in the Pleiades are out of service?
What if we could prevent the Thargoids attacking the bubble by keeping them busy in the Pleiades by attacking repaired stations while we repair the next stations?

We should start rebuilding those stations NOW.
It takes a lot of effort to fix one station, but we are still in a situation where it is possible to fix the stations. It's not yet completely out of control.

I know, AEGIS is evil and Thargoids are friendly, but AEGIS is just the storefront of the Alliance, Empire and Federation for their Thargoid research and response.
No matter what somebody thinks about AEGIS or the Thargoids. Facts are: Stations get destroyed and all superpowers are involved in AEGIS.
Even if the Thargoids only attack stations with an AEGIS facility - how many AEGIS related facilities are spread all over the bubble in stations aligned to one of the superpowers?

We have to act now!
Space stations are essential for our spacefaring civilization. We can't let stations get destroyed. We can't afford stations going out of service. It doesn't matter who is controlling those stations. Without space stations the whole system breaks down.

Forget AEGIS, forget the superpowers, forget power play, forget your petty little wars and skirmishes for a few credits more or glory or infamy. Forget your ego.

Attacks on space stations aren't just attacks on a faction or organization. Attacking space stations is a direct attack on every single CMDR out there.
It's time to save our civilization.

Sorry but I strongly disagree. The stations under attack are mainly unimportant (2 are an exception) and I really can't see a lot of players jumping on board a hard push to repair stations. It's a game not a job.

Also if people don't like Aegis then theyre more likely to not participate or worse, shoot repair haulers. These attacks are clearly against Aegis, not "every CMDR out there". Maybe you can raise that point if they attack a station without an Aegis lab.

Edit: Also with no way to prevent stations from being attacked it's inevitable for them all to be under state of repair at some point. They repair so slow that even if people forgot about CGs for several months, the rate they are attacked will outpace any repairs.
 
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