Most of them stopped to care check out forums, because of constant flow of whine.
Aegis station repair statistical analysis
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Most of them stopped to care check out forums, because of constant flow of whine.
No. It has nothing to do with needing a hand out or some other form of motivation to get involved.
Rather than blaming the community as so many like to do when apologizing for Frontier's missteps...
Ever stop to consider that the "quality/originality" of the community gameplay has remained flat or decreased since the time you are referring to? Most of the people bowing out of the current station repair efforts were all here back then.
The reality is simply this... The repair station gameplay is akin to watching paint dry. Its not even remotely approaching something fun, engaging, challenging or compelling. Let alone something fresh and new!
It is simply something to suffer through and hope it gets done sooner rather than later. By someone else!
The fact that until a few days ago, the repair progress didn't even increment until 10% was hit didn't help. (since been changed to every 1%) The only thing worse than a boring grind fest, is a boring grind fest that appears to have no end in sight!
I'm actually proud of the community for finally putting their collective foot down and saying ENOUGH ALREADY!
Since I seriously doubt there are enough apologists out there to complete all those station repairs themselves, Frontier might have to finally start paying attention to what we have been saying for months about this kind of tired, worn out, unimaginative gameplay.
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But no one blames community. Stations get repaired. Last time I checked there are just people whining about how long it might take. It is basically people on regular whining schedule taking another subject matter and running with it. It is getting tedious guys. Stop it.
Wait, what, you are calling plague gameplay being high point regarding community gameplay? Whut? Trying to massage your talking points much?
If it is not fun for you - don't engage?
It seems there's lot of commanders in wrong mind willing to bother.
Seriously, stop it.
Back then most players wrote things like "let the bubble burn", "impossible to achieve, so why try", "FDev will fix it for us anyway".
Most players did nothing.
It was the determination of the Bast Few who saved the bubble from the Cerberus Plague. 765 contributors delivering 2.5 million tons of medicine.
No. It has nothing to do with needing a hand out or some other form of motivation to get involved.
Rather than blaming the community as so many like to do when apologizing for Frontier's missteps...
Ever stop to consider that the "quality/originality" of the community gameplay has remained flat or decreased since the time you are referring to? Most of the people bowing out of the current station repair efforts were all here back then.
The reality is simply this... The repair station gameplay is akin to watching paint dry. Its not even remotely approaching something fun, engaging, challenging or compelling. Let alone something fresh and new!
It is simply something to suffer through and hope it gets done sooner rather than later. By someone else!
The fact that until a few days ago, the repair progress didn't even increment until 10% was hit didn't help. (since been changed to every 1%) The only thing worse than a boring grind fest, is a boring grind fest that appears to have no end in sight!
I'm actually proud of the community for finally putting their collective foot down and saying ENOUGH ALREADY!
Since I seriously doubt there are enough apologists out there to complete all those station repairs themselves, Frontier might have to finally start paying attention to what we have been saying for months about this kind of tired, worn out, unimaginative gameplay.
Guess you've had it easy, huh?
While you're waiting around for stuff to be given to you, I hope you have some fun. I really do.
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But repairs are going on...lot of people actually pinned down not taking part of incremental steps being 10%.
I actually find it very refreshing that stations will be out of commission for weeks.
Also people whined about not having failure scenarios for CGs. It seems that this is real stuff - even CM pointed out - if commanders won't care, stations will be left in rotten state and it will mean players making choice of not supporting humanity cause there.
Or it is again 'lazy design'?
I remember Bast. The morale of the CG community was at its lowest ebb. If we had failed there, I was all set to just head out into the deep black in my Asp. One of the things that encouraged me to keep on going was that Michael Brooks had posted his support for the effort. It seemed like maybe FD had painted themselves into a corner and were happy that we were giving them a potential 'get out of jail free' card so they wouldn't have to god mod the situation. One thing we didn't have was a reason not to try. The odds may have been against us and there was no profit in it, but there was no feeling that maybe those stations had brought in on themselves and perhaps didn't deserve to be helped.
Fast forwarding to the current situation and we can see many contrasts. The logistics of fixing these station is harder because of their location, though on the upside, there is no time limit. AEGIS is huge problem. A significant proportion of the community don't trust them, don't want to help them and see them as authors of their own misfortune. There isn't the same sense of urgency. If the current trends continue we will have around 30 stations under repair after 10 weeks. In contrast if the Cerberus plague hadn't been stopped we would have had something like 1500 stations infected and 750 stations in quarantine with no obvious way of curing them at 10 weeks. Unchecked, the Cerberus virus would have hit every station in under 6 months, whereas if the Thargoid attacks remain at the same rate it would take centuries to reach the same point.
Like i alluded to in my previous post... motivating me to ship repair goods to Aegis stations has to compete with my standard gameplay which is motivated by, in order of priority:
- development and growth of my groups faction
- discovering things
- fun and interesting gameplay
- profit
So, if one of my factions stations got disabled, i would abandon all other motivations to fix it.
I do community goals when they aren't basic gameplay i could be doing to support my faction, such as thargoid tissue sample collection, search and rescue etc, and these are compensated for slightly with more cash. In particular thargoid cgs give me an opportunity to discover things, regardless of remuneration.
Investigating thargoid reactions to cargo is subjectively really interesting gameplay coupled with discovery for almost no cash, and doesn't support my faction.
Fixing Aegis stations is
- An activity i could do to help my faction
- has no element of discovery
- is not an interesting mechanic to me (a to b trading)
- makes less money than normal
So.... it's a no brainer that i don't help currently and would only be motivated by more money, unless they changed the content to something more interesting. On an rp note, 'doing the right thing' is not motivation for me.
Not really a whinge, just the cold truth.
why do we want to repair them anyway. aegis scum!!
We are talking about a game here, not work or a job. IF you are treating this as a job, good for your. I guess, most other player want to play. You should see that, if you know the fundamentals of a game.
Which station got repaired?
DeathStroke
Banned
Obsidian Orbital has been attacked, it's not Aegis.
None. *cough*he's*cough*a*cough*whiteknight*cough*
I don't think any of the Aegis stations will be repaired anytime soon, if at all. Obsidian Orbital has the best chance of being repaired in short order, IMO. 'Still going to take a while though.
DeathStroke
Banned
It may not be AEGIS controlled but it sure as hell is AEGIS involved.
Haven't read the who;e thread as i got distracted by the echo of demands for more reward.
If we are content to cede this area in the hope that the alien depradions will be limited to this sector,there is no need to enter into conflict,we can treat the whole sector as equivalent to anarchy.(i.e.enter at own risk.)
If,on the other hand,we consider that the presence of a safe port in what is rapidly becoming wilderness is something to be desired,completion of repairs should be reward enough.
If we are content to cede this area in the hope that the alien depradions will be limited to this sector,there is no need to enter into conflict,we can treat the whole sector as equivalent to anarchy.(i.e.enter at own risk.)
If,on the other hand,we consider that the presence of a safe port in what is rapidly becoming wilderness is something to be desired,completion of repairs should be reward enough.
So, Obidian Orbital is not AEGIS, AEGIS as a faction is not present at that station, but there is a AEGIS lab on that station. What's next? Stations that sold fuel to an AEGIS agent? Maybe a cup of tea - totally makes that station a absolutely valid target for the Thargoids.
AEGIS is a joint venture of the Alliance, the Empire and the Federation.
If an AEGIS involvement on the level of "a laboratory somewhere in the 'basement'" is enough to warrant an Thargoid attack the bubble will sooner or later burn.
OK, sorry if I interrupted somebody in their glorious task of submissively kissing Thargoids boots (metaphorically speaking).
DeathStroke
Banned
With 6 stations under repair currently, that's between 33,804 and 91,680 man-hours. That's not a game, that's a job, a 'pays actual money job' but without getting paid actual money, even the in-game 'rewards' are pathetic (if you can even make a profit LMAO). Would you seriously work a REAL job in the REAL world for NO money? Volunteering at the pet shelter or cleaning up the park might make you feel good, but it doesn't put food on the table or keep a roof over your head.
As with the first post,the numbers look big,and would certainly qualify as a grind,if not an actual job,if one were to undertake the task alone.,but this is not the case.
As to your comments regarding in-game rewards,,i should be interested to learn what you would consider to be 'acceptable'.I neverput food on the table.It tends to float off.