"This game is dead or it's going to die!!1"

Jex =TE=

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As has been established, incomplete data gives you incomplete results.

Chief

So opinion polls would be meaningless then. They sample maybe a few thousand people and yet are mostly right when looking for opinion. In an election of 60 million people, 3000 polled is accurate. Steam has around 50% of the sales (1.3million), which would make stream stats incredibly relevant.
 
Doesn't take much convincing, just a certified check.

But we also know that Steam only applies to a portion of a portion of the player base.

XBox users aren't counted.
PS4 users aren't counted.
Purchases made from the Frontier Store are not counted.
People like me who block outbound identifiable traffic to Steam with Layer 7 firewall rules aren't counted (I get enough junk e-mail and "targeted" ads already, I don't welcome any more, especially from Valve. I'd rather hear from EA).

So what total percentage of the player base does this actually reflect?

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...ision/latest?cb=20050123163441&path-prefix=en

"Look out there. Millions and millions of stars. Millions upon millions of worlds. And right now, half of them are fanatically dedicated to destroying the other half. Now - do you think, if one of those twinkling little lights suddenly went out, anybody would notice?" - Gaila

But steam users aren't a special breed of people, whatever trend steam shows is the trend of the overall playerbase as well.
 

Jex =TE=

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in fact, we can work out the figures. ED sold a million units before it was on steam. Steam has sold 1.3 million units. that's 2.3 and FDev have said ED sold 2.75million franchise units. Then take off the muliple accounts people have bought. That means Xbox and PS4 sales make up 475,000 roughly.

Now if Steam has 10% players, 130,000 then we can assume the others have. That would make 100,000 for no steam players and then 47,000 for consoles = let's call it 300k.

I didn't account for the players that bought it before steam and then added to steam after of course but I wouldn't expect that to be massively significant
 
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So opinion polls would be meaningless then. They sample maybe a few thousand people and yet are mostly right when looking for opinion. In an election of 60 million people, 3000 polled is accurate.
Steam has around 50% of the sales (1.3million), which would make stream stats incredibly relevant.

Where did the "50% of the sales" number originate from?

I didn't account for the players that bought it before steam and then added to steam after of course but I wouldn't expect that to be massively significant

OFC you didn't. Did you account for how many purchased the game before it was available on Steam to begin with? How many players even added it to Steam? What about those who don't even use Steam?

Appears to be a lot of "cherry picking" of numbers to substantiate hypothesis, rather than factual information- lots of assumption.

Chief's statement is accurate- "incomplete data gives you incomplete results".

If you want "absolute" results, you need "absolute" data, not just what you want to see. If you don't have access to it, then the answer is quite simple- you don't have it.
 
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OK, I see.

So you're basing the number off FD's "total units sold" then subtracting Steam's portion of sales...
then speculating that out of this 50%, the numbers from Steam must somehow reflect the other 50% that you don't have numbers for, yes?

So with that logic in mind... if Steam is showing only 10.17% playing in the last two weeks, your assumption is that there's only 20.34% left playing the game total?
 

Jex =TE=

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OK, I see.

So you're basing the number off FD's "total units sold" then subtracting Steam's portion of sales...
then speculating that out of this 50%, the numbers from Steam must somehow reflect the other 50% that you don't have numbers for, yes?

So with that logic in mind... if Steam is showing only 10.17% playing in the last two weeks, your assumption is that there's only 20.34% left playing the game total?

My numbers stand. 1 million sales from FDev website, 1.3 million on steam and FDev announced 2.75 million total franchise units sold. Where's the speculation?
 

Jex =TE=

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Where did the "50% of the sales" number originate from?



OFC you didn't. Did you account for how many purchased the game before it was available on Steam to begin with? How many players even added it to Steam? What about those who don't even use Steam?

Appears to be a lot of "cherry picking" of numbers to substantiate hypothesis, rather than factual information- lots of assumption.

Chief's statement is accurate- "incomplete data gives you incomplete results".

If you want "absolute" results, you need "absolute" data, not just what you want to see. If you don't have access to it, then the answer is quite simple- you don't have it.

I missed this and didn't you read what I wrote, you'd see the answer and yes, I did account for the sales prior to steam and I'll quote myself....

ED sold a million units before it was on steam.

In fact, we can do a bit better (maybe) as I found this...

https://www.pcgamesn.com/elite-dang...on-copies-sold-to-budding-space-professionals

so 1.4 million sold here but I'm not sure when it went up on steam. Need to check when it went up on xbox but it'll have to wait - the weekend is here! have a good one :)
 
My numbers stand. 1 million sales from FDev website, 1.3 million on steam and FDev announced 2.75 million total franchise units sold. Where's the speculation?

Perhaps with the speculation as to why there's only "20.34%" of the total players who've purchased the game still playing vs those who aren't, 3+ years down the road since release?

Who knows? We could just as easily speculate as to why people don't drive Ford vehicles based on the amount of vehicles sold and those who still drive them, for that matter.

Does this tell you anything about the owners, or their choices? Does this give you absolute reasons?
 
I don't think we need to worry ourselves over the opinions of those who "Don't like, Don't get, or otherwise Don't Understand ED".

They are a minority and will sort themselves out in the end by leaving the game, or getting some perspective on what the game is all about. For every one of those that leaves another new player will take their place.

Either way, its not my concern.

As we all know... Outside of the Doomsayer Fantasyland view... Elite is doing just fine.
 
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With the holiday season over, nice to see the negative reviews petering out within the last month in favor of majority positive reviews again.
 
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