Anyone try out this CPU with VR? I'm currently finalizing my budget for a replacement steambox, and am curious what the practical performance for the game is using the CPU. It's well above the minimum specs for all VR systems, but the recommended specs for Mixed Reality, which means I'm not sure how well it can handle things.
Ryzen 5 1400 for VR?
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where I live the ryzen 1600 6-core is only 30,- Euros more, would go with that one if prices are similar where you live.
I have noticed that, yeah. Though on paper it sounds that the 1600 is quite the jump in performance to the 1400, but this better performance is more seen with multitasking than with gaming (not that it's bad for gaming, but I won't be having something playing in the background with a VR headset on. 
). Which is why I'm curious how the 1400 performance, as something can sound awesome on paper but in practice be not much of a big deal. I'm hoping some first hand accounts can help me determine if I can save some money where possible.
). Which is why I'm curious how the 1400 performance, as something can sound awesome on paper but in practice be not much of a big deal. I'm hoping some first hand accounts can help me determine if I can save some money where possible.Check out some cpu reviews at digitalfoundry. Many new and some older games make use of more than 4 cores.
only 20% more for up to 50% more performance is a no brainer.
only 20% more for up to 50% more performance is a no brainer.
I have noticed that, yeah. Though on paper it sounds that the 1600 is quite the jump in performance to the 1400, but this better performance is more seen with multitasking than with gaming (not that it's bad for gaming, but I won't be having something playing in the background with a VR headset on.
More and more games are becoming multicore and can use all the threads, and ED is certainly one of them. But surely the Ryzen 1500x which is only £5-10 more expensive would be a better option too.
I would be curious as to what the next iteration of Ryzen would hold, it's probably not that far off, and with a lot of tweaks to current issues.
Personally, gaming and ED certainly like multiple cores, anyone who says otherwise is stuck in 2003.
But games also like core speed as well, hence why I decided on the i7 8700k when I update my rig.
Personally, gaming and ED certainly like multiple cores, anyone who says otherwise is stuck in 2003.
But games also like core speed as well, hence why I decided on the i7 8700k when I update my rig.
The new ryzens should have a higher clock speeds and better overclocking and better ram management. Well there are a number of refinements.
Strangely enough, the different reviews and tests I can find that compare the 1400 to the 1500X mention that gaming performance is about the same (They both have the same number of cores and threads available). the 1500x gains better performance with multitasking and other things unrelated to gaming, so gamers can just save some money and go for the 1400 or pay a little more and get that 1600.
I'm thinking I'll try to get the 1600 if I can get a good deal on it. There is a Microcenter nearby that can get me a discount on mobo/CPU combos, and maybe I can get them both in my financial sweet spot from there.
New ryzens are imminent, in Feb and April, I think. These will likely be faster per thread (clock increase and maybe IPC enhancement in zen2) - and reduce the cost of existing gen 1 ryzens.
See for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VY0v6X9-mo
See for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VY0v6X9-mo
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Multitasking is very much in computer games at the moment and more so in the future. More and more game are taking advantage of those extra cores and threads like ED does. I think the 1600 is the way to go, but you may want to hold off a few months if you can to see how the updated ryzens will be.
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FWIW, I recently upgraded from an FX-8320 to a Ryzen 5 1600 (and new AM4 motherboard, and DDR4 RAM... ), and I don't notice a huge change in ED, presumably because I am now being bottle-necked by my rickety ol' RX-480 GPU. Honestly, it seems to me that CPU is way less important for gaming these days than GPU. What are you running, GPU-wise?
But the most future proof CPU you can afford while leaving as much of your budget as possible available for the best GPU you can afford. The price difference between each jump up from the 1400 to the 1600x isn't big. One could argue the 1700 and 1700x aren't so bad either. Search for a good value graphs amongst the reviews. They plot performance vs price and will help you to see where the price goes up faster than performance.
Like TorTorden I recently bought the 8700k due to it's superior performance and value. Until then I had a reasonably good i5 from the same generation as FDEV's minimum recommended 3770k but that i5 couldn't keep up. It was fine for all other games I threw at it but not ED VR. I bought that CPU considering the value curve and got a lot of good years out of it without over spending. That is harder to do now with Elite Dangerous VR requirements.
Normally I point out to petiole building a be PC there will always be something better out next week but right now we are very close to a new generation of AMD CPUs (and GPUs?) as will as NVidia GPUs being announced. However look into how long the last few generations went between announcement and general availability.
One advantage to AMD though is they are guaranteeing motherboard compatibility for several generations You could buy a cheap Ryzen 3, or the cheapest one which would suffice, for the moment and replace it with the next generation Ryzen 5 or 7. You might even be able to wait a couple of generations before doing that.
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Like TorTorden I recently bought the 8700k due to it's superior performance and value. Until then I had a reasonably good i5 from the same generation as FDEV's minimum recommended 3770k but that i5 couldn't keep up. It was fine for all other games I threw at it but not ED VR. I bought that CPU considering the value curve and got a lot of good years out of it without over spending. That is harder to do now with Elite Dangerous VR requirements.
Normally I point out to petiole building a be PC there will always be something better out next week but right now we are very close to a new generation of AMD CPUs (and GPUs?) as will as NVidia GPUs being announced. However look into how long the last few generations went between announcement and general availability.
One advantage to AMD though is they are guaranteeing motherboard compatibility for several generations You could buy a cheap Ryzen 3, or the cheapest one which would suffice, for the moment and replace it with the next generation Ryzen 5 or 7. You might even be able to wait a couple of generations before doing that.
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I recently upgraded an i5-3340 with a gtx1080 and the CPU could not keep up while playing Elite Dangerous in VR. CPU absolutely matters. However as both of is have proven it takes both a good CPU and GPU to play Elite Dangerous well.
Agreed. Riding that never-ending CPU/GPU leapfrog treadmill.... Now that my CPU is a little more up to snuff, I'm waiting for this insane GPU market to show some signs of normalizing so I can pick up a new card.
That is certainly true and doubly so for VR. VR will make even a 1080 sweat and it basically doesn't matter which CPU you have.
Until recently I had 4-core i5 4590 (no HT) and it ran fine. I upgraded to Ryzen 5 and it runs the same. Naturally there are advantages in having 8 (or 12) threads. For video capturing/streaming, for example. But the VR gaming itself is very light on a processors.
You got that right - checked prices a few days ago and was stunned by how much they have gone up. Add that to the whole Meltdown/Spectre debacle and I've decided to wait a bit longer to build a new rig. If I had to build tomorrow I'd probably go with a Ryzen 1600X.
I'm looking to build using Ryzen 1600 right after we finished the installation of rack and poison spyder rockers plus a couple of led light bars on the current Jeep project. I met a guy who got Ryzen 1600 PC with 2 monitors and he is very impressed with the performance.