And uh... in the live stream Ed said that console gamers don't have to wait long. So, yeah, any guess is between 1 to 6 weeks is based on something.
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And uh... in the live stream Ed said that console gamers don't have to wait long. So, yeah, any guess is between 1 to 6 weeks is based on something.
Yeah I think folks are making assumptions based on parts of the old and new systems. Things could be quite different in ways they don’t expect. Besides, FD can always tweak the drop rates if the current system is determined to be too grindy.
And uh... in the live stream Ed said that console gamers don't have to wait long. So, yeah, any guess is between 1 to 6 weeks is based on something.
I did catch that today and laughed. My gut tells me they have an internal release date planned, but that will be pushed back depending on how much (and what kind of) feedback we give them. If there are a lot of changes it will probably get pushed back as adjustments are made.
I'll add my praise for the changes to engineering. The new system is simple to understand for new players and removing the constant re-rolls to overcome the RNG chucking out worse results is a huge improvement. In my view it is a better system in every way so many thanks to FDev; well done all.
The changes look good to me. I have a lot of "good enough" modules that I stopped working on because there was no guarantee of getting a better roll. Now I can go ahead and continue to upgrade them until I'm actually satisfied.
Material limits look good for me. Material Trader looks easy to use, very nice. I like the new ignore list for materials.
And I like being able to keep the special effect across new rolls. That's kinda huge.
Overall, very nice update. I'll be in there messing with it during beta, for sure.
Material limits look good for me. Material Trader looks easy to use, very nice. I like the new ignore list for materials.
And I like being able to keep the special effect across new rolls. That's kinda huge.
Overall, very nice update. I'll be in there messing with it during beta, for sure.
I don't think either of those things is true. Existing modifications are left unchanged or more easily improved if desired; and the new system to me is more straight forward with less RNG and grind with guaranteed improvements and mats trader.
It's a big like from me. My least favourite part of engineering was sitting around waiting for certain types of materials (HGE signal sources, wake scanning, etc.). Now there are no useless materials, I can collect as I go, trade them for what I need, do some rolling, and go right back to playing. Having to do more rolls to get modules up to G5 is a small price to pay for that.
You would hope that by now, some lessons would have been learned!
This whine fest is a surprise to me though actually. I thought there were more players who used the existing system enough to understand the value of these changes.
Then again, I have thousands of hours invested in engineering ships using the existing system. I know it like the back of my hand. These whiners obviously don't. Otherwise they would not be losing their S over what is going to provide some significant improvements for the majority of players who use this feature.
The fact that the HUGE increase of the material and data storage has soared completely over the heads of this same group of complainers is another one of those [wacko] moments today.
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So, grade 1-4 remain completely useless on most modules and serve as nothing more than a grind wall before grade 5.
You would hope that by now, some lessons would have been learned!
This whine fest is a surprise to me though actually. Then again, I have thousands of hours invested in engineering ships using the existing system. I know it like the back of my hand. These whiners obviously don't. Otherwise they would not be losing the S over nothing.
The level of ridiculousness in the whining is a good measure of the update's quality, imho. Ridiculous whining means there really isn't anything substantial to whine about.
What surprised me is that the usual suspects didn't even wait to try the beta to start pulling rubbish out of the end of their spines.
Like this person who complains that lower tiers of engineering are less powerful than higher ones... Nuff said.
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Because....?
At least each 'spin' is an improvement on your way to 5...rather than being a failure and waste of time and mats.
Doesn't address the point at all. Grade 1-4 are just a material grind wall before grade 5. This new system makes some of the biggest complaints about engineers even worse.
Because grade 5 is objectively better.
And from grade 1 till grade 4 is objectively better than no grades at all.
Or should we remove grade 5 because it bothers as being best grade and thus making anything else obsolete?
And it also works from the top down, gather the grade 5 materials and trade down for the lower level rolls. Whats not to love.
I am curious as to why anyone thinks that Grade 1-4 is "completely useless". As someone with mostly only G3 upgrades, I noticed an immediate improvement in my modules from the very first upgrade. Still, I guess if you're a grinding PvP'er who is obsessed with God Rolls.....then I can see why they might feel that way. What a cold & depressing world they must inhabit though!
[citation needed]