Ever since the galactic economy shifted to one based primarily on tourism and passenger transport, nobody is delivering progenitor cells any more. The results speak for themselves.
NPC Crew Gender / Skill Level update - No bias found
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Ever since the galactic economy shifted to one based primarily on tourism and passenger transport, nobody is delivering progenitor cells any more. The results speak for themselves.
You raise a good point. I think society is still struggling to come to terms with how to represent women in any kind of non-slanted way. This was no doubt a headache for Fdev... How do we represent female pilot avatars? It was bound to be a 'thing' sooner or later, just as much as the inverse (male avatars) is as well. How we represent each other can reflect what we think of each other. Given that gender roles are still in a state of flux and equality hasn't levelled out yet, this was always going to be a conundrum for Fdev to handle.
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I wondered why my shipment of PCs didn't arrive again this month, despite paying double for them... Perhaps I need to go postal in the passenger lounge
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you just couldn't help yourself could you pal?
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let me finish that for you - "I'm a hypocrite"
mods feel free to remove this post along with all the others I've flagged, Susanna posted her findings to placate these people and instead of being placated, they just grabbed their pitchforks all over again.
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I've noticed how quite a few people get real touchy when the existence of sexism or racism is hinted at. "Go away! It isnt true! You're just stirring up trouble! You have an agenda! Whatever we're doing is a tradition!". Rarely an actual argument is presented against whatever is being said. It basically just keeps boiling down to:"Go away, I like how stuff is now!"
In this case: Sorry for not getting back to you sooner Susanna, but I am quite sure you forgot to check the assumptions required for doing an ANOVA. Your groups here is 'skill', at five different levels. Your dependent variable is 'sex', at two values. You need a continuous dependent variable for ANOVA, whereas it is categorical here. If you want to use ANOVA: use 'sex' as category, 'skill' as a continuous variable and throw all participants in one pool rather than separating per rank. Which would still be somewhat... unconventional but hey.
Careful Sleut - making sense is becoming a habit
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You'd probably need to observe how some military fliers style themselves both for flying ops and then after when they are stood down.
The ED method of representing pilots in the crew lounge appears to focus on them being flight ready in a hangar: so however your average male and female pilot looks either just before or just after a mission would be the style to go for. Perhaps.
One real world observation I'd like to make is this:
I watch a lot of Cricket. And I mean A LOT! Both men's and women's. I've never seen a bloke wearing make up playing professional Cricket either in the field or batting. However there seems to be a even split with the ladies wearing some makeup or none and having either long hair or short. A helmet is more or less obligatory when batting. So in this case at least personal style is more important to some than comfort or context (as in the "why wear makeup playing cricket?" sort of context).
Also some female athletes really do like to prepare themselves for the limelight, others don't.
So perhaps some percentage of female avatars in the NPC lounge should be more styled, less so for the chaps.
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Nah, its fine. Your way led to artificially inflated power, which means that any significant findings would be suspect. Its kinda like if your data was suspected of using doping during the Olympics: if it had 'won' I would have been skeptical, but now it 'lost' we know for sure it isnt a 'winner'.
So yeah, your point came across, and its cool you came back to share it. Shame honesty isnt much appreciated by someAnd male athletes don't? Heck, I can name one star athlete that has repeatedly went for a haircut during half-time...
Agreed. There are both men and women that like to (not to sure what the correct term is) dress up and look as good as possible at all times. My missus will not go out the door without putting on her makeup etc, and I suspect if she was a pilot she wouldn't change. I also like to look reasonable when I go out the door. But I also see mothers and fathers dropping their kids off at school still in their pyjamas and completely disheveled. Each to their own.
Yeah well some players are a bit fond of their hair!
Ahem. Ronaldo anyone?
Nowhere. Thankfully, these sorts of mental gymnastics are confined to a vocal minority. The rest of us folk ought to keep right on truckin'. As Matt Stone and Trey Parker reckoned in Southpark, we gots about six more years 'o this.
Fantastic, couldn't have said it better myself, if I could rep you again I would.
Behold, Lord Hyperbole has descended from the Clouds! You truly are deemed the Monster that needs to be Killed. Woe is upon you, how cruel Fate has treated you! For nothing but being calm and reasonable you have reaped scorn! O tempora o mores! There was no need for showing your friend who presumably actually knows something relevant, I already told you what was wrong with the stats. And I even did it without being a drama queen!
Ah well, it is too late for that now. As you said, FD devs will surely go to jail over this forum topic now. There can be no other outcome.
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Am I the only one who thought of the old thread as a fun poke at rng based on a personal experience, while being interested in what the follow up research would bring? I never thought FDev would be biased, just thought it would be funny if the game was bugged out in a way that - you know, with it needlessly causing controversy and all. They wouldn’t even take a press hit because anyone even remotely interested in this game would likely research it, and, upon reading it was a bug, conclude that a lot of fuss was made over nothing.
Careers have been destroyed by less...
Ok, a little off topic and likely to be nuked by the thought police, but as the editing/silencing on this thread seems to be as one sided as the last (which I didn't post on, btw, so no axe to grind, just my observations from the sidelines):
You're completely correct, but probably not in the way you think you are. We certainly don't have equality between the genders, at least in the UK. Males have no reproductive rights. Males have far fewer rights in relationship breakdowns. Males have far less protection from violence perpetuated on them by females, none at all from female rapists. Males have fewer resources allocated to them in health care, in spite of living shorter, less healthy lives. Males are the vast majority of the homeless, while being the lowest priority for social housing. Males receive less support in education, in spite of having far fewer successes at any level within our education system. The STEM fields are outliers; females utterly dominate degree level achievement and are now the majority of students at UK universities. STEM will soon follow the rest- government funded initiatives like Athena SWAN, ECU, WISE, equatescotland and many others will make sure of that.
As for shutting down the conversation? There is no conversation. Any attempt to have one is shut down almost immediately by complaints from the ideologically pure and righteous. Take a look at the now sanitised other thread. It all looks very PC!
I read the last thread with interest. Those jumping to Susanna's defence barely stopped short of offering violence to dissenters- I dread to think what they'd have said on a less moderated forum without a profanity filter! My mind is open enough to observe the behaviour of both sides of an argument. Perhaps there's value in all of us attempting to do the same?
Sometimes, mate. Other times it really is someone with an agenda stirring up trouble. And the ideology which must not be named is remarkably touchy about being questioned about how their allegations have any basis in reality. Sauce for the goose, my dude...
...responding to "Explain to me how the hell you expect Elite to survive if the very people who bring it to life are doing 10-15 because you convinced a corrupted judiciary system of Frontier's guilt of the thought crime of unconscious bias?"
Maklar, I don't know where you live, but within walking distance of where I stay two men have been to court in the last couple of months for making jokes on social media. One is likely to be jailed later this year, the other spent the weekend in jail and has had the case stood over awaiting a court hearing. It may or may not go to trial; it'll hang over him indefinitely. Just what a single father, grieving his recently deceased wife, needs to be worrying about!
Neither case would have seemed likely even a couple of years ago, now they look like the start of a new kind of court process. If they're convicted, expect to see harsher sentences applied for and a broader interpretation of the crimes they're alleged to have committed used to ensnare others. The possibility of game developers being tried for thought crimes in the near future is very real. That's reality in the world I live in. Your mileage may vary, you may even be lucky enough to live in a country where freedom of speech is protected by law. I really wish I did...
You're completely correct, but probably not in the way you think you are. We certainly don't have equality between the genders, at least in the UK. Males have no reproductive rights. Males have far fewer rights in relationship breakdowns. Males have far less protection from violence perpetuated on them by females, none at all from female rapists. Males have fewer resources allocated to them in health care, in spite of living shorter, less healthy lives. Males are the vast majority of the homeless, while being the lowest priority for social housing. Males receive less support in education, in spite of having far fewer successes at any level within our education system. The STEM fields are outliers; females utterly dominate degree level achievement and are now the majority of students at UK universities. STEM will soon follow the rest- government funded initiatives like Athena SWAN, ECU, WISE, equatescotland and many others will make sure of that.
As for shutting down the conversation? There is no conversation. Any attempt to have one is shut down almost immediately by complaints from the ideologically pure and righteous. Take a look at the now sanitised other thread. It all looks very PC!
I read the last thread with interest. Those jumping to Susanna's defence barely stopped short of offering violence to dissenters- I dread to think what they'd have said on a less moderated forum without a profanity filter! My mind is open enough to observe the behaviour of both sides of an argument. Perhaps there's value in all of us attempting to do the same?
Sometimes, mate. Other times it really is someone with an agenda stirring up trouble. And the ideology which must not be named is remarkably touchy about being questioned about how their allegations have any basis in reality. Sauce for the goose, my dude...
...responding to "Explain to me how the hell you expect Elite to survive if the very people who bring it to life are doing 10-15 because you convinced a corrupted judiciary system of Frontier's guilt of the thought crime of unconscious bias?"
Maklar, I don't know where you live, but within walking distance of where I stay two men have been to court in the last couple of months for making jokes on social media. One is likely to be jailed later this year, the other spent the weekend in jail and has had the case stood over awaiting a court hearing. It may or may not go to trial; it'll hang over him indefinitely. Just what a single father, grieving his recently deceased wife, needs to be worrying about!
Neither case would have seemed likely even a couple of years ago, now they look like the start of a new kind of court process. If they're convicted, expect to see harsher sentences applied for and a broader interpretation of the crimes they're alleged to have committed used to ensnare others. The possibility of game developers being tried for thought crimes in the near future is very real. That's reality in the world I live in. Your mileage may vary, you may even be lucky enough to live in a country where freedom of speech is protected by law. I really wish I did...
Absolutely. I will hold a funeral wake for ED tonight, for surely Sandro will be locked up by sunrise. If I am even allowed to do that, what with the corrupt system and everything being PC, the oppression of the sane people like us, fake news and all that. Oh the horrors!
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