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Since we're discussing this again, and since it's been a while now, I just wanted to mention one of my favourite bits of the film, tiny yet personally something I found quite profound and right at the heart of the movie.

WARNING: plot spoilers ahead!

No really!

It's when K goes to Deckard's hide-out. There's a moment when K asks Deckard about his dog - "is it real?". Deckard shrugs and says "I don't know".

I'm sorry but that's .. like ... WOW!

In the first film there was a very strong sense of it being important who was and wasn't a recplicant. The ultimate form of this was the decades long debate on the internet about Deckard himself.

In 2049 I get the strong sense that, for all I know, EVERYONE might be a replicant and the thing is (as echoed in that throw away remark from Deckard) ... it no longers matters!

I love that.

Yeah, the themes of the two movies are great and are very well presented I think.

Can our constructs feel genuine love and emotion? What makes feelings 'real'? What does it mean to be human? Is it just that you were born human or is humanity more about your actions and morality than it is accident of birth?

It's interesting that in 2049 the most 'human' characters are actually those we know for a fact are not human at all. :)

Are you human because you were born human?
 
Since we're discussing this again, and since it's been a while now, I just wanted to mention one of my favourite bits of the film, tiny yet personally something I found quite profound and right at the heart of the movie.

WARNING: plot spoilers ahead!

No really!

It's when K goes to Deckard's hide-out. There's a moment when K asks Deckard about his dog - "is it real?". Deckard shrugs and says "I don't know".

I'm sorry but that's .. like ... WOW!

In the first film there was a very strong sense of it being important who was and wasn't a recplicant. The ultimate form of this was the decades long debate on the internet about Deckard himself.

In 2049 I get the strong sense that, for all I know, EVERYONE might be a replicant and the thing is (as echoed in that throw away remark from Deckard) ... it no longers matters!

I love that.


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Yeah, the themes of the two movies are great and are very well presented I think.

Can our constructs feel genuine love and emotion? What makes feelings 'real'? What does it mean to be human? Is it just that you were born human or is humanity more about your actions and morality than it is accident of birth?

It's interesting that in 2049 the most 'human' characters are actually those we know for a fact are not human at all. :)

Are you human because you were born human?

Humans got a soul, AI and bioengineered don't, or so we're told.

However, that is where I love the part where;
In Blade Runner the eyes plays a big roll, they are the mirror to our soul we say, if you look at the eyes in BR2 they are clearly different in some of the characters, the question of who has a soul and who doesn't is the revolving question through the whole movie, both 1 and 2.

and then there is this.

[video=youtube;aMP1YpQSGhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMP1YpQSGhQ[/video]
 
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Bought the Blu-ray a week ago. Sat down with my girlfriend to watch it this Saturday. Since my girlfriend is sort of fed up with nudity in movies (no, she doesn't consider herself to be a feminist or a SJW), she ended up disliking the movie overall. I was a bit split because of the discussions we were having.
So I decided to watch it alone last night.
Here are my thoughts:

The movie opens up beautifully, and it really feels like Blade Runner with slow sweeping pictures of a high tech but barren land. The cinematography is breathtaking! It keeps on delivering very artful images, some with impressive CGI, some with in all honesty dodgy CGI (especially the smoke from some of the scenes).
As the story unfolds I was getting more and more sucked in to the movie. It didn't take long before understanding "K"s memories are implants and not his own experiences. But the thing that totally got me the most was my uncertainty of who was a replicant or human. And if the replicants were in fact more human than human. It seemed the replicants had souls more than humans, which made me think of the Ghost in the Shell anime.
Blade Runner 2049 took a long time to say what it wanted to say, and some parts were a little too long and the movie lost its pace here and there. But the amazing performances, especially from Mr Ford, more than made up for it.
However, the movie's biggest achievement was the story. It was extremely well written with almost surgical precision.
I did find two things that I didn't like so much, or perhaps felt was missing at least.
First of which was the music. It was futuristic and very beautiful but it lacked emotions.
Another thing I thought was missing was more city shots. In the original Blade Runner, Los Angeles was just as much a character as Deckard was. In BR2049, I didn't felt that way. And that somewhat degraded the movie slightly.

All in all, a worthy sequel with a fantastic story. Denis Villeneuve is master of telling deep, philosophical stories.
Money well spent. :)
 
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Are you human because you were born human?

Technically, I'm human because I could produce fertile offspring with another human. If I were a different species, I wouldn't be able to do that, cause that's pretty much the definition of species.

As for what value there is in being human, I've never believed there was any.

If something can convince me it's sentient and sapient, it deserves at least the same fundamental rights I do. Doesn't matter if it's human or other, natural or other; it's a person if it can reason and is self-aware. Conversely, there are plenty of humans that probably don't fit my definition of person.

Treating someone or something a certain way because of biological species, in and of itself, can never be anything other than fundamentally racist.

Since I've never encountered anything in my own experiences or heard credible reports of other's experiences that suggest there is anything beyond physical reality, even if our understanding of that reality is clearly incomplete, fussing over questions of "soul" seems silly to me. I'm no more likely to be in possession of such an imaginary attribute than a rock or toaster.
 
Technically, I'm human because I could produce fertile offspring with another human. If I were a different species, I wouldn't be able to do that, cause that's pretty much the definition of species.

As for what value there is in being human, I've never believed there was any.

If something can convince me it's sentient and sapient, it deserves at least the same fundamental rights I do. Doesn't matter if it's human or other, natural or other; it's a person if it can reason and is self-aware. Conversely, there are plenty of humans that probably don't fit my definition of person.

Treating someone or something a certain way because of biological species, in and of itself, can never be anything other than fundamentally racist.

Since I've never encountered anything in my own experiences or heard credible reports of other's experiences that suggest there is anything beyond physical reality, even if our understanding of that reality is clearly incomplete, fussing over questions of "soul" seems silly to me. I'm no more likely to be in possession of such an imaginary attribute than a rock or toaster.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.....however seeing is not always equal to believing :)
 
Blade Runner 2049 won 2 Oscars, one for best cinematography and one for best visual effects. It was also nominated for 3 Oscars: sound edit, sound mixing, and production design.
 
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