Serious Performance Problem

2GB of VRAM is literally HALF of what the game needs to run smoothly at any modest graphics settings.
This is just false.

The game runs on my laptop perfectly fine at the game's default high settings:

  • i5-7300HQ
  • 16GB DDR4-2400 (dual channel)
  • GTX 1050 2GB
  • 500GB SATA-3 SSD

I get 45fps on planets if I don't touch the default. Tweaking graphics to reduce GPU work, for instance, brings the fps back up, but I don't like my planets looking like yoghurt.

If you want to drive 3 displays or crank up the supersampling then yeah, you're going to have an issue. Other than that, this game really isn't that demanding.
 
If you are experiencing a consistently slow frame rate, then it's your cpu/gpu speed. If you are experiencing choppyness, where the game frequently stutters, then it's quite likely to be an I/O issue. Check your disk usage/disk queue length in task manager -> performance (not sure where it is on win 10). Sudden stutter is almost always an OS/software problem where something is holding up disk or memory access.
 
Ha!
Waiting for the dress down....

All I said was they were budget, and got the obligatory dress down, can't wait to see what they do for you! [haha]

Hah! I just ignore them!

If someone attempts to argue with statements based on the facts, let the clueless remain clueless.

If the OP ever upgrades his hardware, he will quickly see who was right, and who was in serious need of a "PC Building 101" class. ;)
 
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Update time: Restarted my PC and set the game to High Settings with Ambient Occlusion off, supersampling set to 1. It actually runs very well. I get mostly 60 fps inside/outside stations and in battles with frames only dropping significantly at the station entrance when returning. I took a few screenshots of the task manager while I was playing. In the first one I was just landed on a station and on the second one I was flighing around the station.

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Driver update? BIOS update?
File system check?
There could be large number of things causing this.
Antivirus running? Superfetch enabled? Windows Indexing?
Not to mention Torrents, lots of proggies running at startup, wife watching NetFlix, cloud backup software...

Lots of advice sites out there for tweaking PC performance.
 
ED uses 4.8GB of VRAM from my 1080ti running all Ultra settings at 1080p/60hz.

PC Building 101 time for you mate!
You didn't stipulate ultra settings. You said "reasonable". And your claim is still false.

Afterburner indicates that the vRAM usage at 1080p/high is 1.9GB on my system with a 2GB GPU. 3GB extra for one step higher settings indicates that the game client is pretty smart and knows when it can cache textures and the like in vRAM, rather than stream them back and forth from mass storage or system memory. With that said, the client streams stuff back and forth in a pretty smart way too - during hyperspace/instance transition and when the assets are far enough away that the pop-in isn't too jarring.

In other words, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
 
2GB of VRAM is literally HALF of what the game needs to run smoothly at any modest graphics settings. Couple that with his ancient CPU and the performance he is complaining about is normal.

Folks need to wake up and realize that modern games demand higher performance hardware in which to run well. You can't expect a game like ED to deliver smooth fps when you are running it on such underpowered hardware.

Its called reality. ;)

His components and Elite Dangerous are roughly the same age, so I'm not really sure what you're on about.

Even my trusty old backup laptop with a 3rd gen i7 and a GT 650M runs ED at Medium 900p 45fps.
 
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I have noticed increased stutter in VR and on monitor also although only Elite Dangerous seems to be affected.

I have a Win 10 installation on a separate SSD and 1080Ti optimized purely for Elite and in the last few weeks no matter what I change I have stutters everywhere where previously it was butter smooth.

Rolling back the drivers helped a little but the stutter was still there, its possible a Windows Update may be an issue, even though I have updates turned off I had a forced restart a few weeks ago with an unwanted update that will not roll back. I have had hundreds of clients with Win 10 update issues in January, been a nightmare.

Next I am trying a new Elite install, if that does not work then a new Win 10 install.
 
I have noticed increased stutter in VR and on monitor also although only Elite Dangerous seems to be affected.

I have a Win 10 installation on a separate SSD and 1080Ti optimized purely for Elite and in the last few weeks no matter what I change I have stutters everywhere where previously it was butter smooth.

Rolling back the drivers helped a little but the stutter was still there, its possible a Windows Update may be an issue, even though I have updates turned off I had a forced restart a few weeks ago with an unwanted update that will not roll back. I have had hundreds of clients with Win 10 update issues in January, been a nightmare.

Next I am trying a new Elite install, if that does not work then a new Win 10 install.

Go into Settings and into the "Gaming" section and turn off everything there. It's running by default and some people report improvement when these are turned off.
 
Both his CPU and GPU are low budget models, gonna be tough trying to run ED @ 1080p on that.

I think it's a nVidia/windows issue.

My really old AMD HD 6870 1Gb was actually pretty smooth on medium/low settings (1080p)
Switched to a GTX 770 2GB, now I get odd choppy frames and whatnot, on all settings. Lol
 
I think it's a nVidia/windows issue.

My really old AMD HD 6870 1Gb was actually pretty smooth on medium/low settings (1080p)
Switched to a GTX 770 2GB, now I get odd choppy frames and whatnot, on all settings. Lol

I think it partially has to do with Elite's optimization with w10. Other games(Battlefield 1, Fortnite) run really smooth.
 
Well lets see here

1 - Ignore pretty much anything GG7 has to say, he/she has been known to be factually incorrect about most things, and seems to believe that opinions are facts and suspiciously takes every opportunity to equate hardware specs to knowledge, and back it up with condescension and largely meaningless statements. Made a hilarious post about how ED performance was awful because it was unoptimized, railed on and on about it, when really the truth was he/she was trying to run the game at like 8 or 16 times the resolution and didn't understand that the network jumps between changing instances were purely network and nothing to do with graphics. None the less... that thread lasted forever.... i mean how can you learn anything when you already know it all right?

Actual considerations below based on, experience running ED since the 2014 beta on a range of hardware, from a Core2Quad + GTX295 (and GTX980) , A MacBookPro with a 750M (OSX and W7 Bootcamp) and a i7700K+ GTX980

2 - The game will run fine on a 2GB card, textures are sampled/resampled to fit the settings you request, which change the burden on vram. Thus you likely want medium/low settings in general. Im sure you have done it, but just look at the default low pre-set. You can, if you are desperate, check what sample size is being taken in the xml files in the graphics settings. If it is stuttering away, then there is something else happening.

While fog effects will be turned off by default in low pre-set, some of the lesser powerful GPUs basically crawl when doing any kind of fog or volumetrics.

3 - nVidia often don't update their drivers for all of their cards in sequence, older cards, when selecting the drivers from their website SOMETIMES (but not always) get dropped off and end up a few revisions old compared to the latest and greatest... upon investigation, you should be fine here. The drop off is the 200 and 300 series cards, which are 2 years out of date!

Try a clean install of the drivers using DDU, do the full slow process and when you re-install, don't install any of the extra stuff, like nVidia experience (or what ever its called these days)
In the nVidia control panel try setting power management to max performance. The purpose of the nVidia experience free install is that if you have instant playback turned on, you are needlessly loading the GPU and using the harddrive when it doesn't need to be.

No affect? Try a slightly older driver version...

4 - Do run memtest86 over your ram... remove any overclocking if any. If you have memory issues, it will typically cause BSOD, unless you are running something fancy like ECC ram (you are not, as the system is not a server) as you are getting stutter it is unlikely an issue with this, but, do the check anyway. If the total ram usage on your system is not going over 8, you should be pretty much ok, If something else is eating up memory and you are dropping into swap, that Will cause issues

5 - Defrag your harddrive if it is a mechanical, you want that thing as fast as you can, if your computer has to wait for the drive to read a file across 50 different parts of the drive, you can be sure as hell that it will cause a momentary stutter.

6 - Computer side, ensure your power management is basically set to performance. Iv seen some peoples installations basically default to energy saver for some reason, despite there being no need for it. It can basically cause major CPU throttle back. - Unlikely the issue but give it a look -

7 - Meltdown and Spectre Bugs - If the softpatch fix has been applied, it could very well be the issue. When the CPU makes context changes between Kernel and User mode, one of the fixes is to have the CPU dump its cache and reload the info. This has huge impact depending upon what you are typically doing. There are better methods coming to stamp out the issue, though not sure what the status of those are yet to be honest. Best is a microcode update delivered via bios update... so look for a new bios version for your motherboard... and... very very very carefully update the bios if you feel like you should. Remember to do what ever you think you need to to ensure good luck and the none destruction of your motherboard during that process. (I take zero responsibility etc for people killing their mobos)

Anyway - fingers crossed you can nail what is happening.
 
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Woop!

Fixed my issues.

Windows game doodah had re-enabled itself. This was sapping some performance.

I also turned off V-sync, and the frame rate limiter.

Odd stuttering solved!

Turns out, I get about 130~fps in space on high settings, at 1080p.

So I had a go at setting it to 4k (TVs native resolution). It went down to 55~fps. Wooh! It looked really sharp and nice.

Until I tried to land on a planet.
15fps!

Planets, why u do dis? :p

Unfortunately I do get some screen tearing now. But it's far better than the stuttering.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
 
Woop!

Fixed my issues.

Windows game doodah had re-enabled itself. This was sapping some performance.

I also turned off V-sync, and the frame rate limiter.

Odd stuttering solved!

Turns out, I get about 130~fps in space on high settings, at 1080p.
This is why I set the client FPS limiter to 120fps with vsync off - it gives a much smoother experience (for me at least,) even though I only have a 60Hz display.

So I had a go at setting it to 4k (TVs native resolution). It went down to 55~fps. Wooh! It looked really sharp and nice.

Until I tried to land on a planet.
15fps!

Planets, why u do dis? :p

Unfortunately I do get some screen tearing now. But it's far better than the stuttering.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
You can dial back the GPU work and change settings to low for planetary rendering. I find that the FPS on planets is at least consistent, which makes a huge difference - 60fps that drops to 20fps often is a worse experience than a constant 45.
 
You didn't stipulate ultra settings. You said "reasonable". And your claim is still false.

Funny... I still see 4.8GB of VRAM use right now in the 3.0 beta 2.0. (I also posted that I was using DSR at x4.00 and Super Sampling in game set to 2.0)

But I'll send a note to EVGA and inform them that some self proclaimed computer expert on the internet told me that the reading from their widely popular Precision XOC GPU management software is false. [rolleyes]

Aside from that... Please go away. [rolleyes]
 
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