Dove Enigma UA bombed, preventing completion of its voyage in time for the man it was named for.

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ryan_m

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Yes, corrected my post, I used to haul MA's out of Maia. Whoever did this hauled UA's, as far as I am aware UA's destroy ships unless hauled through 2 tonne racks.

So either it takes a tiny amount to shut down a ship/station or a massive effort got the required amount there.. Final option is somebody used a hack.

...or they made multiple trips. It doesn't take long to get out there using neutrons. I did it in 4 hours and I had never used neutrons before.

Leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

Brush your teeth.
 
When someone is dying of cancer, I say let them say whatever they want. You can’t imagine the suffering he’s going through. I’ve seen it happen to family members.

The level of utter cluelessness on display in far too many of these comments is beyond disturbing to witness! Almost as bad the the UA Bombing thing that started it all!

To think, the judgmental brigade we all know and love is actually capable of going there! Judging a terminal cancer victim's replies to clueless comments directed at them during an event that has been upended by griefers.

And some people have the nerve to poke fun at the size of my Ignore List?
 
Just been interdicted by Thargoids on the way to Darnielle's Progress. After realising there are TWO Darnielle's Progress in the universe. I yelled "you inhuman monsters! Don't you know what"... then I caught myself.
 
...or they made multiple trips. It doesn't take long to get out there using neutrons. I did it in 4 hours and I had never used neutrons before.

True, poeple often underestimate how small this galaxy has become since the neutron-HW.
 
Should have been more precise. I meant the traffic at my waypoints. That was way higher.
And you don't nee CRCR for UAs. Just be fast on jumping (high-class scoop needed) and you avoid the damage. And have AFMUs for the meantimes. People have taken them to Sag A without CRCRs.
Yes ... you'd still need to get in-system without your ship falling apart, though, and 1500Ls of supercruise will get you a few nasty hits if you're carrying even 20 in an unshielded bay. Plus you can't combine that "always jump fast" with neutron boosting, so it might nowadays be quicker to carry a smaller amount fully shielded.

With the Dove Enigma expedition itself using those waypoints as its own waypoints as well, I would look to that rather than a hypothetical large group of UA bombers as a reason for noticeably increased traffic - there's a few hundred of them, according to EDSM, around those waypoints.

Question for the experts, I was under the impression UA's wreck a ship unless fitted with 2 tonne corrosive racks. That means 18 tonnes maximum on a Cutter, how does someone haul enough of those MA's to cause a ship 26,000Lys away to potentially shut down?
Make lots of trips, basically. Round trip to Colonia and back with neutron-boosting is only 6 hours or so in a stripped-down ship (20 tonnes on an Anaconda with CRCRs, potentially) and it's been 3 weeks since the ship arrived, so that's long enough for one extremely persistent person (or a few slightly less persistent ones) to take enough.

We had earlier UA damage - which has been fixed in this week's update, by some unknown MA haulers - to The Pit, only a few LY from Colonia. It's a lot of effort, but it's not completely impractical to do if someone has the patience.
 
I’m just going to say this. Yes it’s part of the game ie the ability to be horrible BUT on this occasion the person responsible had to take those materials some distance. And that shows planning. I really hope they read all this and offer some help to make up for their lack of COMPASSION as a human being. If they don’t then I hope they get “ganked” at every single opportunity
 
I'm reminded of the saying "no good deed goes unpunished", but FD made their own bed when they put a black market in a time sensitive game event that meant a lot to many people.
 
I hope some media outlets pick up on this.
I fail to see what is there to pick.

Yes, Fdev should have done some things better (like no blackmarket), but i fail to see them as villains here. Lets hope if not overtune it, they can support some other in-game way.
 
Having not to long ago lost someone to Cancer, toward the end rational does not apply to their thought processes.

I don't know Dove, or what his current state is, or what treatment he is undergoing or has endured. But for the last two years of her life my Wife was nearly impossible to live with. It was all I could do sometimes to not yell at her for her unreasonable demanding self absorbed attitude. She found fault with literally everything anyone around here did and said. I spent a year in therapy after she passed working thru the repressed anger.

So Dove's response doesn't surprise me. It's not something a reasonable person would say, but it doesn't surprise me.



Sorry to hear man. Its a rough ride at times. But you know what they say, love is watching someone die. Its no easy task.
 

Goose4291

Banned
I'm reminded of the saying "no good deed goes unpunished", but FD made their own bed when they put a black market in a time sensitive game event that meant a lot to many people.

To reiterate. The state of the station doesnt impact on the event, as they can still.dock there.

You're either woefully uninformed about how UA attacks work, or willfully.ignorant and pushing the usual 'open bad' agenda.
 
Why was there a blackmarket on this ship?
While in hindsight it might not have been a great idea, they're a pretty common feature - the majority of orbital stations in Colonia have one - so I assume someone just copied the facilities template from the last orbital they added.

Anyone who could have spotted the potential without hindsight could have probably out-hauled the bombers with MAs solo, so I'm guessing that no-one did and it therefore feels unreasonable to criticise anyone else for not thinking of this earlier.
(The station is, because of its position, either completely or almost completely immune to almost all other normal BGS-based attacks - though I'm sure that, too, is a favourable coincidence rather than a deliberate plan)
 
How has someone 'defiled' it exactly?

Even the title of this thread is clickbait level faux angst.

Dove can still travel to colonia. The UA attack doesnt prevent it.
Dove can still dock at their ship. The UA attack doesnt prevent it.

Everything else is window.dressing fluff.

Exactly. This is what I just don't get about all this outrage and angst. It's not like the ship isn't there anymore.
 
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Yes ... you'd still need to get in-system without your ship falling apart, though, and 1500Ls of supercruise will get you a few nasty hits if you're carrying even 20 in an unshielded bay. Plus you can't combine that "always jump fast" with neutron boosting, so it might nowadays be quicker to carry a smaller amount fully shielded.

With the Dove Enigma expedition itself using those waypoints as its own waypoints as well, I would look to that rather than a hypothetical large group of UA bombers as a reason for noticeably increased traffic - there's a few hundred of them, according to EDSM, around those waypoints.

Yes, it could have been only ships from the expedition. As i said, i never saw them, just the reports. And as i already said, dedicated runs back ond forth are equally possible. It is not that huge distance anymore. And after Gandharvi, if you dive to -1kLy, the ingame plotter will cancel out even the alt-tabs for the trip. Making the last 8k Ly very easy and fast.
 

Zac Antonaci

Head of Communications
Frontier
With all due respect, you guys put a black market on a deep space research vessel. That decision deserves every ounce of criticism and hostility it recieves.

I can't say right now what the reasons for the black market being present are. However, I don't believe any person deserves criticism and hostility, especially not directly targeted to them. Memorials such as this are a way of celebrating the community and it's something that team do with the very best intentions. Having such significant hostility only damages the ability for us to run more future initiatives like this.

While I respect the fact that there are high emotions regarding this. I would always ask people to be considerate and respectful at all times.
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
With all due respect, you guys put a black market on a deep space research vessel. That decision deserves every ounce of criticism and hostility it recieves.

Sorry. Completely disagree with you there.

What does it even matter if it was done through legitimate means?
Why give a commander a memorial and grant him a wish (to visit colonia) and then let others defile it?
Why was there a blackmarket on this ship?
Leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

I hope some media outlets pick up on this.

Nobody complained to FD that the Megaship had a Black Market till now... There's been plenty of time.
 
Make lots of trips, basically. Round trip to Colonia and back with neutron-boosting is only 6 hours or so in a stripped-down ship (20 tonnes on an Anaconda with CRCRs, potentially) and it's been 3 weeks since the ship arrived, so that's long enough for one extremely persistent person (or a few slightly less persistent ones) to take enough.


Have dealt with some nasty pieces of work in my lifetime, but there was always some deep logic to the madness. If what you are saying is true then that is just pathetic beyond belief. That ship should never have had a black market, end of story.
 
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While in hindsight it might not have been a great idea, they're a pretty common feature - the majority of orbital stations in Colonia have one - so I assume someone just copied the facilities template from the last orbital they added.

AFAIK it's uncommon for Megaships to have a BM. Especially Research Vehicles. The Gnosis doesn't have one. Why put one on a Memorial ship?
 
I’m at work, so I can’t check my Cutter’s stats or check my module storage, but I’m running all the numbers now for this trip.

It should cost me about 30M to retrofit for d-rated modules (no prob, got half a billion), and get about 600 tons of cargo space, allowing for a class-6 shield, class-6 fuel scoop, and class 5 AFMU for the neutron jumps, plus an ADS and DDS for the trip home. Looking at about 23 LY per jump fully laden.

So, now I have two very important questions: are there large pads at the ship and is it even possible for a single player to collect 600 tons of MA in an evening at Darnielle’s Progress?

Can you share your build with me? Want to help so I'll need to quickly retrofit my own cutter.

Cheers
 
Yes, Fdev should have done some things better (like no blackmarket), but i fail to see them as villains here. Lets hope if not overtune it, they can support some other in-game way.
FDev added UA bombing in the first place but have kept it in long past the point where it makes any sort of sense. These things aren't "unknown" anymore and cargo racks that can safely hold them are cheap, and, as of 3.0, available throughout the bubble. The idea that a handful of these items could shut down a station has long since past the believability stage.

If UA bombing never existed, I don't think there'd be people saying, "You know what Elite needs, some way for a handful of CMDRs to shut down stations."
 
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