Calling it a night for now, but made some good progress given that I'm not neutron jumping:
Dove Enigma UA bombed, preventing completion of its voyage in time for the man it was named for.
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Look I don't want to sound insensitive, but if you PvP you might well of shot and sent a cancer sufferer to the rebuy screen and destroyed their progress on numerous occasions
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Thanks for this post.
I think Frontier Developments needs to take a page from Crowd Control Production's book, here.
Under normal circumstances, it is permissible under CCP's rules for players to scam each other over in-game money (Interstellar Kredits, or ISK) and in-game items.
Every so often, however, CCP runs a "PLEX For Good" program where players can transfer PLEX (Pilot's License EXtensions, in-game voucher items for game subscription time) to a CCP-managed in-game player-character as a means of donating to disaster relief. At the end of the campaign, CCP writes out a check for an equivalent amount of money to the Icelandic Red Cross. Every time CCP runs a PLEX For Good campaign, they make sure to explicitly point out "Please note that CCP regards any scamming attempts surrounding PLEX for GOOD to be morally reprehensible, and any attempts at scamming relating to this program will be met with the harshest and swiftest action at our disposal."
Here's the most recent example that I could find: https://www.eveonline.com/article/plex-for-good-nepal/
Now, this Unknown Artifact bombing doesn't have the potential to steal or scam donations that are meant for, let's say, St. Jude's Children's Hospital, but Frontier (rightly) saw fit to conduct an in-game initiative related to the wishes of a player who's literally dying of literal cancer. However, now that this UA bombing has occurred, your statement of "if the shut down has happened because a player has used legitimate game mechanic then we would be looking (and supporting) Commanders using in-game mechanics to reverse this" is basically saying "it is legitimate for other players to metaphorically spit in the face of a dying player and if you don't like that then it's up to you to push back against that".
If someone walked into Brandon Keith's hospital room and spat in his face, then it's the responsibility of the hospital to remove that intruder. Yes, his loved ones who are also in the room can (and probably will) step in to defend Mr. Keith, but it's still the hospital's responsibility to protect their patient.
Mr. Keith is 39 years old. His daughter is about to grow up without a father. He's already suffering because of the cancer. Do not legitimize other players adding to that suffering. To draw another analogy: Frontier has taken Mr. Keith to Disneyland for his dying wish, and then said (through your own statement above) that it's okay for people to throw eggs at Mr. Keith.
Frontier needs to fix this.
Different situation entirely.
I have no doubt this dramathon will make it into the "gaming" press like Eurogamer or PCGamer as they seem to have journalists employed simply to write click bait.
On topic: UA bombing a community event......
I'm sorry but regardless of why the ship is in game; it is a game asset and should not be given special privileges.
I got like 10 reps for this comment, many agree with me. I stated pure facts, this is a good case for a BGS war, but don't do it in OPEN, you might need to PvP, the horror...
I concur with this.
The problem here is one of fourth wall confusion: what is the game, what is real life; what has no real consequences, what does; what has no real meaning or significance, and what does? Where are the boundaries?
It was a lovely idea to create this game event to bring some pleasure and social support to a fellow player at a very difficult time: the game as a medium for meaningful bonding and relating between human beings. But while most people can hold the pretend world of a game and reality side-by-side in their heads, and therefore can join this game while holding on to its real-life context and meaning, some people can't, or don't want to. A game is not real, and therefore its meaning and consequences are experienced as not real. Arguably that's the whole point: a game is escapism, catharsis, a safe space within which to explore experiences, actions and feelings that cannot be readily accessed or are not socially acceptable in real life. Arguably, breaking the fourth wall with a real tragedy creates sort of the same emotional conflict --and then detachment, or even anger-- that we may experience when we watch TV and the film is interrupted by another charity appeal showing real people suffering abject misery. The harsh reality is experienced as intruding on the privacy of our fantasy. I think that such feelings may possibly lie behind the hostility of UA bombing and some people's irritable "what's the big deal? It's just a game" reactions.
But just like for many people football is not just about football, but can have layers of meaning and context wrapped around it --social bonding, fond childhood memories of going to the weekend match with dad, a sense of belonging to a community of like-minded people-- computer games are not just about computer games. There is a reason why a man struggling with terminal cancer would choose this game as a medium and context for meaningfully relating to his current situation and those to who he is turning for social support. It is something that deserves some consideration, compassion and respect. It costs so little, yet gives so much.
There was always bound to be a conflict. Cancer is like that: it invades bodies and lives. It terrifies, alienates and isolates and exposes all the clever medical science that borders on magic like smoke and mirrors, and us like children clutching make-believe magic wands. But the magic isn't in the sticks of wood; it isn't in the HOTAS under your palm or the dancing pixels on the screen. The magic is in us. There is no compassion but in us, no love but in us, no courage, no purpose, no meaning but in us. There is just us. If our dreams of traveling the vast sea of stars taught us anything, it should be that: there is just us. Is it a wonder, then, that the stars is where this player turned?
Frontier may need to keep this in mind while considering the duty of care it has assumed. Players need to keep this in mind while playing the game, and posting on this forum.
Whenever it is night where you are, before you go to bed give a thought to this player who could have been --one day may be-- any of us.
And dream of stars.
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I'll tell you what I'd say. I'd say that I traveled 1000''s of ly to help because I felt it was "the right thing to do", whatever FD''s actions are.
It's not a gaming story, it's a story about a charitable act for a cancer sufferer being trampled on. You think the press won't lap that up?
And you may not care what appears in the media but I promise you FDev's management will not be sharing your attitude when they're struggling to put together some sort of statement explaining how they let this happen.
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On the pure facts thing, me too, see your latest attempt.
With respect, that is ridiculous and bordering on the desperately hysteric.
This whole episode is a cyber memorial for one of the games players . . . and this game promotes diversity; especially action and counter-action.
The legacy of Dove Enigma has been attained in line with the game he loves, IMO.
It was pure something, that we agree on...
I can't imagine what a soul-consuming job it must be to have to "report" on "relevant" video game drama as though it were news. What would it be like telling a first date that that's your job?
No they dont, video games and RL are separate concepts.
I wish the guy 100% health in RL but have no issues of killing his imaginary spaceship in a children video game.
I just heard it on Lave Radio. This is unbelievable. And if you google it - search reddit -, the "people" responsible are known trolls. This goes WAY beyond any in-character excuse they could possibly make: these ...I can't write the correct name for what they are... should've been banned a long time ago.
A video game community come together - developers included, as they put it there, to begin with -, it's obviously a time sensitive matter, and these "trolls" try to ruin it for... giggles?
There's no excuse for this. if you think otherwise you're no better than the idiots who thought this would be "cool".
This was meant to hurt people on a personal level, and it has nothing to do with the game, characters, factions, whatever.
A video game community come together - developers included, as they put it there, to begin with -, it's obviously a time sensitive matter, and these "trolls" try to ruin it for... giggles?
There's no excuse for this. if you think otherwise you're no better than the idiots who thought this would be "cool".
This was meant to hurt people on a personal level, and it has nothing to do with the game, characters, factions, whatever.
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You missed the most disgusting part! Then that guy posts the exchange on here attempting to get people to turn on Dove E for his reaction to that guy's blatant passive/aggressive trolling behavior.
Not to mention these "kids" on here don't even know what the term "Drink Bleach" means. They take it literally and then fall all over themselves in faux outrage.
PLEASE!
Is there an educator in the house?
Yes it is, but the outcome could still be the same. Look, I personally think that if this person/s knew about the reason for this expedition and did that i think it's seriously low, but I wouldn't call for a ban or attack FD for doing a nice thing. In my view this has gotten out of hand and is escalating to a point that is unreasonable and over the top! .. The community has rallied up to make this event memorable.
That is what I am taking from this, not a witch hunt.
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