Dove Enigma UA bombed, preventing completion of its voyage in time for the man it was named for.

[kofeyh]

This isn't FDevs fault and no one can swindle the conversation that way.

It's an outcome of a mechanic Frontier added. It's also highly contentious. Abusing the developer is in no way acceptable.

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Frankly I don't give a crap about the hand wringing and moralising. Again; is there a mobilised force to help with this? What's needed still?

 

[Jimbodiah]

Google translate much? Read it three times and still have no clue.

 

[Goblin949]

No-one saw a very common way to impact a station, from coming? Are you kidding me. UA bombing has existed for years. It's a high profile thing. This should have been highly predictable.

Exactly. There is a counter against UA bombing. It happened on most community events. Now it could be made less scandalous if the devs actually would took this surprising possibility into account, and made an event requiring bringing meta-alloys (if they don't want to disable their mechanic here from the beginning). But nothing prevents from bringing these without an event.

It's never ever acceptable to persecute people.

And yet it's always a calling for a crusade by people of "divine high" moral standards.

 

[fabittar]

Enough with the calls to ban people. If they ban people for this then they'll have to ban people for non consensual pvp. It meets the exact criteria you long-windedly listed above. It's absurd.

The long wall-of-text fort is from Frontier Development itself.

And no, it's not the same. They TARGETTED the event for purely out-of-character reasons. They had nothing to gain from it other than real life infamy. They purposefully targetted and aggressed the players rather than their characters.

 

[Jimbodiah]

I hear Colonia is locked down as well now?

 

[Mean_Mr_Grinch]

The long wall-of-text fort is from Frontier Development itself.

And no, it's not the same. They TARGETTED the event for purely out-of-character reasons. They had nothing to gain from it other than real life infamy. They purposefully targetted and aggressed the players rather than their characters.

And that's different from someone chasing a dev around the bubble during a live stream how?

 

[Goblin949]

Holy run on sentence Batman! What does all that gibberish even mean?

Google translate much? Read it three times and still have no clue.

Is this a way to say you do not agree with what is written there? How nice and indicative.

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

No-one saw a very common way to impact a facility, from coming? Are you kidding me. UA bombing has existed for years. It's a high profile thing. This should have been highly predictable.



People disagree. Frontier thought it would be great sport to have a way to disable facilities, and then created an antidote. I understand the frustration, but this is yelling at the wind.



Not fine. If Frontier just hand-of-god's any outcome then they're just making a mockery of the mechanics. That Frontier have very little ability to understand the impacts of their decisions is well known; but UA bombing has been a thing for a long time.

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It's never ever acceptable to persecute people. However someone bright spark bombing the Dove Enigma has no reflection on the person it's in the spirit for. Nor should Frontier be expected to sort this out simply because it's inconvenient. Commanders have great potential to work together for a common goal; they seem to want to just b*tch instead.

Every time someone does something the game has allowed (and encouraged, no less) this is suddenly awful and the developer is bad for not intervening. No, it's not. It shouldn't have to. It's up to players to act, and react. It has become a very consistent outcome on the forums; something happens, players immediately protest and demand Frontier solve an in-game solvable thing and then go on to verbal the developer and present ultimatums.

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Is there a current group effort to undo this, still? Who do I talk to about helping out?

Firstly not sure whats with the attitude, I'm kind of agreeing with you, but you missed out the last part of my comment, what gives?? And no I'm not "kidding you", how the hell can anybody predict what station is going to be UA bombed?? If you have this knowledge, please share??

My suggestion was to load up on MAs and try get it back online. When Jaques was first found 1000s of CMDRs hauled MA's (me included) to get it back online and it worked. All I'm saying is, it's not FDevs fault and try fix it in game and if FDev do step in then so be it. Nobody can complain at that.

I wish I didn't bother, just giving my opinion as a forum go'er

 

[Mean_Mr_Grinch]

Is this a way to say you do not agree with what is written there? How nice and indicative.

I can't agree or disagree with something I can't understand.

 

[kofeyh]

And no, it's not the same. They TARGETTED the event for purely out-of-character reasons. They had nothing to gain from it other than real life infamy. They purposefully targetted and aggressed the players rather than their characters.

The UA bombing happened because it can happen. Everything else is moralising, and using a pretty unfortunate situation as a sledge hammer to abuse people that aren't in agreement.

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Here I am, repeatedly asking how I can assist with the solution, and people are too busy having a passive aggressive vent. Can I please interrupt the group therapy session to ask if it's just MA needed, and where the heck is the facility affected?

 

[kofeyh]

Firstly not sure whats with the attitude, I'm kind of agreeing with you, but you missed out the last part of my comment, what gives?? And no I'm not "kidding you", how the hell can anybody predict what station is going to be UA bombed?? If you have this knowledge, please share??

It's a highly public event. People will know it's happening? What is 2+2? Not being nasty; but pretending it's not possible to realise ahead of time that a really public thing might attract attention, is a really odd thing to say. Look, I am neither for or against UA bombing. It's a thing. It's a wrench frontier invented.

And they have a habit of being thrown for public events. I'm not having a go; I am holding people accountable for demanding this all be magically solved because unfortunately apparently no-one considered this might happen, and have a plan to deal with it.

Hindsight I guess?

My suggestion was to load up on MAs and try get it back online. When Jaques was first found 1000s of CMDRs hauled MA's (me included) to get it back online and it worked. All I'm saying is, it's not FDevs fault and try fix it in game and if FDev do step in then so be it. Nobody can complain at that.

And that's what I've repeatedly tried to do. Be constructive. Apparently what I should do, is pick a side and scream at people for 26+ pages. I really don't want to do that?

 

[Commdor]

Here I am, repeatedly asking how I can assist with the solution, and people are too busy having a passive aggressive vent. Can I please interrupt the group therapy session to ask if it's just MA needed, and where the heck is the facility affected?

Dove Enigma is all the way in the Colonia system. All that's necessary to undo a UA bombing is to sell meta-alloys at the affected station, but I believe tens of thousands of meta-alloys are required.

 

[Maka Gucci]

It's a highly public event. People will know it's happening? What is 2+2? Not being nasty; but pretending it's not possible to realise ahead of time that a really public thing might attract attention, is a really odd thing to say.



And that's what I've repeatedly tried to do. Be constructive. Apparently what I should do, is pick a side and scream at people for 26+ pages. I really don't want to do that?

Well said.

 

[CMDR MRMAURICE]

It's a highly public event. People will know it's happening? What is 2+2? Not being nasty; but pretending it's not possible to realise ahead of time that a really public thing might attract attention, is a really odd thing to say.



And that's what I've repeatedly tried to do. Be constructive. Apparently what I should do, is pick a side and scream at people for 26+ pages. I really don't want to do that?

2+2?? And you're wondering why people aren't answering your cry to help. Seriously the attitude in this one, even when you agree is over my head.

 

[Goblin949]

Here I am, repeatedly asking how I can assist with the solution, and people are too busy having a passive aggressive vent. Can I please interrupt the group therapy session to ask if it's just MA needed, and where the heck is the facility affected?

UA bombing, only MA I guess. Colonia A3 I believe.

2+2?? And you're wondering why people aren't answering your cry to help. Seriously the attitude in this one, even when you agree is over my head.

Are you sure it is his cries? I wonder how people haven't forgot what the issue was between their calls to pitchfork and burn.

 

[kofeyh]

Dove Enigma is all the way in the Colonia system. All that's necessary to undo a UA bombing is to sell meta-alloys at the affected station, but I believe tens of thousands of meta-alloys are required.

Thank you. Now we are getting somewhere. Oh god, Colonia? Really? Who decided this would be the best staging point; something 22kly from the closest source of meta alloy (it's also the same distance for UAs, though, that's commitment to haul so many so far to bomb the facility).

So that'll be why people want Frontier to magic it? it's too much effort to lug MA out there?

 

[Red Anders]

That’s kinda where I’m at. I can carry 608 tons if I refit my Cutter, but she’ll only do about 23 LY per jump, fully loaded. If I cut that amount by 2/3, I can manage 30 LY, but having never done something like this before I have no idea if that’s even enough.

If it helps at all, even without using the external neutron route plotter for the first section you can jump from about 6k LY outside the bubble all the way to Colonia using neutron star boosts as long as you can fit an AFMU to repair your FSD periodically. Negatives - you need to repair your drive. Positives - your jump range is effectively quadrupled for the last 16,000 LY or so. I've stripped some of the exploration gear out of my Anaconda have managed to give myself 224 tons of cargo space and a 40LY jump range when fully loaded, or about 160LY when I hit the neutrons; still not 100% convinced I'll be heading out but I'm off to Maia to buy some meta alloys and make a decision.



By the way, a general comment. Between the vitriol and the almost absurd levels of virtue signalling going on in this thread, it's a spectacularly unedifying spectacle. My advice would be either help or don't, but either way just shut the frak up and get on with it.

 

[kofeyh]

2+2?? And you're wondering why people aren't answering your cry to help. Seriously the attitude in this one, even when you agree is over my head.

I'm trying to keep it simple; I have no interest in arguing the morals involved. I'm asking if all that's needed is MA, because I am potentially prepared to get off my proverbial to help.

 

[Ka_Tor]

I understand tensions are running high, but I think it's inappropriate to imply FDev would be inhuman for not intervening. Fdev isn't to blame for the actions of some heartless trolls.

It was a senseless move to add a black market to the megaship.

 

[Majic-12]

Unfortunately, high-intensity virtue signalling is garbling whatever the message is supposed to be.