Dove Enigma UA bombed, preventing completion of its voyage in time for the man it was named for.

[Stealthie]

Sure; however the developer decided this was valid choice, as it is supplying MA to counteract it. Muppetry or not, the developer has decided this is good sport. Whether the players do? Isn't a relevant question. Choice, it creates opportunity. Good and bad.

I made no comment on whether or not the strategy used here was valid or not.

FD don't "hand of god" this stuff. People will do what they do. I wish the commander this is in the spirit of, all the best. However just hand-of-god reaction to something (even if it's frustrating) doesn't really solve anything. Two wrongs, etc etc.

Well, a couple of things, here...

Firstly, haven't you spent the last week endorsing the "why does it matter what anybody else earns" position regarding the rewards from bulk passenger missions?
If that's the case, why the sudden change of heart here?
Why is it anybody else's business if a pretend spaceship in a game gets magically repaired?
Under the circumstances, I wouldn't say that's the "wrong" thing to do.

The only people to be negatively affected by FDev intervening would be the people responsible for the UA bombing.
And that's fine by me.

Which brings me to my second point...

This is a SUPERB opportunity for FDev to take action and demonstrate that while they're willing to allow people to do dastardly things in-game, they are NOT willing to allow people to do such utterly despicable things as this.
If they fix this they are sending a message to say that people are wasting their time by doing similar things in future.

It's only a bloody month ago that FDev hosted a 24 hour live-stream in aid of a charity that cares for people in poor health.
Are we really to understand that while they're willing to accept our donations to their charity, they're not willing to intervene directly in a similar matter?
Cos, if that's the case, they are likely to undermine people's willingness to participate in their future charity events.

Mostly, though, it's a perfect opportunity to show the tossers that they're wasting their time doing things like this.

Also, if it was me I'd just flat-out erase every instance of UA bombing currently in the game.
That might focus people's resentment where it truly deserves to be.

 

[Goblin949]

It was a senseless move to add a black market to the megaship.

What? So it isn't just some bar whatever thing, but a black market? Oh...

 

[Commdor]

Thank you. Now we are getting somewhere. Oh god, Colonia? Really? Who decided this would be the best staging point; something 22kly from the closest source of meta alloy (it's also the same distance for UAs, though, that's commitment to haul so many so far to bomb the facility).

So that'll be why people want Frontier to magic it? it's too much effort to lug MA out there?

It's the same travel distance to deliver the Thargoid Sensors for the bombing, yes, but UA bombing itself requires far fewer Sensors (I think someone said less than 100?) than the number of meta-alloys needed for repairs. And that's exactly why people are demanding Frontier fix it themselves, since it could take days or weeks to do it with MA deliveries.

 

[Mengy]

You think it's despicable. It's part of the game and a legitimate way to contest an event.

Get over it.

I really hate it when people justify treating other people like crap simply because "it's allowed". That alone is no excuse, nor does it rationalize said behavior.

A fellow player of our community, an Elite fan, is dying of cancer, and there is a large in game expedition event to raise his spirits and celebrate his life before it ends, and there are actually posters in this thread DEFENDING the actions to thwart and grief said event. I mean seriously, do some of you have no compassion for other humans at all???

Get over it???? SERIOUSLY??????!!?

Cancer is no minor matter, nor is griefing somebody with it something to trivialize or defend. The actions of these UA bomber(s) are inexcusable, it is abhorrent and sadistic, and this is not "one of those times" where anyone should look the other way. Get over it? No Sole Hunter, I don't think that's an option this time. Get over THAT.

 

[Red Anders]

I'm trying to keep it simple; I have no interest in arguing the morals involved. I'm asking if all that's needed is MA, because I am potentially prepared to get off my proverbial to help.

Yes. All that is ever needed to counter potential UA station interference is meta alloys. How many? As many as you can carry.

 

[Goblin949]

Well, a couple of things, here...

Ya, more talking instead of doing the right thing as you think you should do.

 

[Jimbodiah]

I made no comment on whether or not the strategy used here was valid or not.
It's only a bloody month ago that FDev hosted a 24 hour live-stream in aid of a charity that cares for people in poor health.
Are we really to understand that while they're willing to accept our donations to their charity, they're not willing to intervene directly in a similar matter?
Cos, if that's the case, they are likely to undermine people's willingness to participate in their future charity events.

You mean the organisation that pocketed most of the proceeds for themselves? This charity had question marks all over it from the start. Kind of fits in with their running policy to allow and encourage sociopathic behavior in the game and on the forum. Hey, as long as the GBP keep streaming in, who cares, right?!

 

[CMDRGibbs]

I love all the white knight hypocrisy going on ijn this thread. Apparently it's okay for someone to tell another someone to kill themselves over a fictional in game ship, but attacking a fictional in game ship of a dying person is somehow the most despicable thing ever? And telling someone to actually kill themselves is not? I would think a dying person would not wish ill will on others if they were actually a good person. Its absolutely laughably hypocritical that these white knights are saying we should all feel bad for what's going on in the game yet at the same time they think it's ok to tell other people to kill themselves and actually DIE, all while trying to defend someone who is dying. Please tell me other people see the absurdity of this. Personally I don't see how any of you keyboard warrior white knights can think you are morally superior or brave to anyone. Gg7 and Princess are the two biggest hypocrites in here. Telling someone to kill themselves IRL for siding over a fictional bombing in game seems like it shouldn't warrant this person deserving a ship made for them. If anything a dying person shouldn't be wishing death on anyone. It's cringeworthy seeing all these keyboard tough guys defending complete hypocrisy and acting tough even though IRL they wouldn't do Jack to anyone's face

As it stands, I do think it should be fixed and its obviously a up thing to do to a memorial for a cancer patient, but you all are giant hypocrites.

 

[Greytest]

I will make a quick last post here before i drop dead into my pillow.

Yes, this was a respectless and despicable act, but ultimately meaningless for the outcome of this expedition.
All it achieved was yet another reason for the awesome part of this community to rally to a cause and they are already delivering (literally).
The ship having a black market is a small oversight at best, and by no means a reason to go bananas in the forums, to the extent of even personally attacking staff or others.

The person(s) responsible wanted to "create a storm" and you are falling for it. Every. Time.

Go hug another and be done with it! o7

Cheers,
CMDR Greytest

 

[Lord Hexias]

What a read this thread was. As per usual we have plenty of people talking but extremely few listening.

We have people defending the actions of a troll (or trolls) as if what took place here has anything to do with the longstanding debate between what is perceived as griefing and what is perfectly respectable within the confines of the mechanics provided by Frontier. It is time that everyone understood that what many in this thread are talking about has nothing to do with that debate. This isn't about game mechanics or what is possible in Elite: Dangerous. This is all about intentions.

Trolling, for those of who don't know, isn't really about what someone has done in a game or online but what their intentions in doing so were. Furthermore, you cannot devalue or ignore the effect those actions have on others, sometimes even despite intentions. That being the case, what has so many irked is that the act of UA bombing a community event like this cannot be considered anything but the actions of a troll, having a laugh at others' expense. Unfortunately the victim of this trollish attack is also cancer victim, and it boggles the mind that the person responsible doesn't seem to care how this effects someone dealing with strife, pain, and unhappiness on a daily basis. On top of all of that, that person now has humiliation and frustration on top of what was supposed to be one of the happiest moments of his life.

Go ahead and call me "salty" if it makes you feel edgy and relevant but the correct term to use would be frustrated. This whole thing should be a no-brainer. Trolling is just another word for bullying and that is exactly what has taken place. Bullying should never, ever be permitted in a video game environment. Particularly when it is permitted to spill over into real life due to a lack of a suitable response.

Frontier should be defending the man this event is based on, not its players' rights to use certain mechanics. Up until now, there has not been a satisfactory response from them concerning this issue and that is troubling many of us more than anything else. If they don't act then they might as well be condoning this trolls actions. This will encourage that sort of behavior and, as with many other online games to date, the trolls will soon outnumber everyone else in a dwindling player base.

 

[Delilah]

FDev, some total twit has UA bombed the Dove Enigma, supposedly preventing it from completing its voyage.
You put this in as a really nice gesture and now its been screwed by idiots.

Please step in and remove the UA bombing component for the megaship during this voyage. This is a special case and needs to be dealt with promptly.

Griefing is not restricted to pvp or excused by emergent gameplay. It has rather to do with the malicious motives and actions of psychologically disturbed and/or morally immature individuals. In online gaming and especially in MMOs, it is difficult but not impossible to identify and control.

*If* this is griefing (I stress if because I am not sure it is as yet), then Frontier should enable a CG to facilitate bringing meta-alloys to Dove Enigma. This is a suggestion from the ED Reddit and includes another megaship to collect and deliver the antidote.

After that, some mechanic consistent with lore should be considered to end UA bombing. Perhaps a CG to innovate resistant station software and hardware, a month of propagation from the CG point of origin for that innovation, or immediate effect upon the delivery of a packet by one or more pilots to their favorite station(s).

 

[Goblin949]

You mean the organisation that pocketed most of the proceeds for themselves? This charity had question marks all over it from the start. Kind of fits in with their running policy to allow and encourage sociopathic behavior in the game and on the forum. Hey, as long as the GBP keep streaming in, who cares, right?!

The cars! The yachts! The villas!

May I remind you that ED was presented as a game within a dangerous universe? Now these events could be handled better by making short-memory community more prepared with a more subtle community events and such, but it came as just an usual "surprise". I'd say people are frustrated with this kind of handling.

 

[Shackram]

I really hate it when people justify treating other people like crap simply because "it's allowed". That alone is no excuse, nor does it rationalize said behavior.

A fellow player of our community, an Elite fan, is dying of cancer, and there is a large in game expedition event to raise his spirits and celebrate his life before it ends, and there are actually posters in this thread DEFENDING the actions to thwart and grief said event. I mean seriously, do some of you have no compassion for other humans at all???

Get over it???? SERIOUSLY??????!!?

Cancer is no minor matter, nor is griefing somebody with it something to trivialize or defend. The actions of these UA bomber(s) are inexcusable, it is abhorrent and sadistic, and this is not "one of those times" where anyone should look the other way. Get over it? No Sole Hunter, I don't think that's an option this time. Get over THAT.

And it's absolutely unsurprising to see who are the ones trying to defend harassing a dying person.

And then they dare get y if they get called socipaths for their sociopathic behaviour.

 

[mossfoot]

God damn, this event (and thread) reminds me why I took a break from Elite, and the forums.

Honestly sometimes I think I should just watch Obsidian Ant for news and stay the hell out of Open.

[video=youtube;fZv_TARX3lI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZv_TARX3lI[/video]

 

[Jimbodiah]

Frontier should be defending the man this event is based on, not its players' rights to use certain mechanics. Up until now, there has not been a satisfactory response from them concerning this issue and that is troubling many of us more than anything else. If they don't act then they might as well be condoning this trolls actions. This will encourage that sort of behavior and, as with many other online games to date, the trolls will soon outnumber everyone else in a dwindling player base.

That ship has sailed: Mods do not find any of this behavior to be outside of forum rules, and an FD official has stated nothing is wrong, carry on. So we've already pased the point where FD would do anything against this sort of behavior, they have officialy given it their blessings now. Hell, they even re-opened this thread like there is nothing wrong and they can't understand what all the fuss is about.

 

[Roberts701]

I really hate it when people justify treating other people like crap simply because "it's allowed". That alone is no excuse, nor does it rationalize said behavior.

A fellow player of our community, an Elite fan, is dying of cancer, and there is a large in game expedition event to raise his spirits and celebrate his life before it ends, and there are actually posters in this thread DEFENDING the actions to thwart and grief said event. I mean seriously, do some of you have no compassion for other humans at all???


Cancer is no minor matter, nor is griefing somebody with it something to trivialize or defend. The actions of these UA bomber(s) are inexcusable, it is abhorrent and sadistic, and this is not "one of those times" where anyone should look the other way.

Well said and the truth of it, shame on those who think different.

 

[Majic-12]

The only way the Elite: Dangerous community can possibly see this through is by a valiant combination of chest-beating, moralizing, scapegoating, alienating, vilifying and finger-wagging.

So by all means, carry on.

 

[fabittar]

People defending this should feel ashamed of themselves.

The argument that the mechanics being there makes it right is not a valid argument at all.

They did this for the real-life consequences. For the infamy and the giggles. This constitutes harassment. There are no two ways about it. You can't justify what they did. It was targetted at the PEOPLE, not their characters, their in-game assets.


What transpired has NOTHING to do with in-game characters, lore, opposition. It was an act of aggression against real people. To be disruptive for the purpose of drawing attention to themselves, to harm a man dying of cancer and the community being supportive of him.


Frontier is not to blame for the UA bombing, but THEY ARE TO BLAME for not enforcing their own rules of conduct.


This is where Frontier must draw the line. Doing nothing signals the rules are there just for show.


Nobody - normal, healthy people - wants these idiotic sociopaths in the game.


This is not virtue signaling. It is the breaking point. Is Frontier willing/capable of enforcing their own rules or not? If they won't, it's all empty words, and we must ask ourselves if we want to continue to support a company that condones harassment of real-life individuals, disruptive behavior for the sake of being an Internet troll.


No two ways about it.

 

[Maka Gucci]

I will make a quick last post here before i drop dead into my pillow.

Yes, this was a respectless and despicable act, but ultimately meaningless for the outcome of this expedition.
All it achieved was yet another reason for the awesome part of this community to rally to a cause and they are already delivering (literally).
The ship having a black market is a small oversight at best, and by no means a reason to go bananas in the forums, to the extent of even personally attacking staff or others.

The person(s) responsible wanted to "create a storm" and you are falling for it. Every. Time.

Go hug another and be done with it! o7

Cheers,
CMDR Greytest

Well said, Greytest.

 

[CMDRGibbs]

Things I learned in this thread:

Bombing a fictional ship of a dying person= not ok
The dying person telling someone to kill themselves for saying it's a part of the game = okay
White knights telling others they wish despicable things to happen to people in real life = okay
Saying this should be handled by players in game and not FD = omg you are a terrible person

Man I swear white knights are worse than the greifers because they don't actually see their own total crap and hypocrisy. This was a terrible pointless act, yes, but so is defending death threats. This forum is a joke and ive only been here like a month. Its embarassing