Dove Enigma UA bombed, preventing completion of its voyage in time for the man it was named for.

[DaedalusVar]

So you believe this is considerate to others?

You'll note that is one of the rules of the game. I'm not taking it personally at all - merely asking for an explanation about how this fits within the EULA for you.

It doesn't matter what you believe, what matter is if I broke the rules. Which I didn't because ua bombing is a feature of the game. You don't get to pick and choose when it's ok to do it and when it's not ok based of personal reasons. Your opinion doesn't matter.

Have a good night. I'll be doing it tomorrow too...because I can.

 

[Majic-12]

Technically he's right; DV is coming in here and gloating about working against us. If he wasn't trying to bully, why post? Best to ignore salt miners though; only engorges them.

Indeed, trolls prize nothing more than the sweet, sweet nectar of "carebear tears", and feeding them serves only to make them stronger and more numerous.

And never, never feed them after midnight.

Or maybe that was gremlins.

Damn. There goes my gravitas.


Edit to add: Not that I'm referring to anyone in particular. Just speaking generally, you know.

 

[kofeyh]

While its pretty sad people would do this, and one has to wonder about their lives and mentality to do this, its no big deal for the expedition itself.

It's served to give people a pulpit to preach from. That's about it. It's counterable; and if people want to persist in using Colonia as a staging point, then that's their call; it's just remote as hell and vulnerable as a consequence. UA bombing has existed for a very long time; stations and ships with black markets are variably bombed all the time.

Lastly, it's not like it's the only place to land. People can leverage one of about 100 outposts or something out there for refuel/ repair/ rearm. Yeah, I get there's some questionable morals here; but it's counterable, and the person organising this seems pretty keen to hold some decorum. Be good if more people could reciprocate, but clearly that so isn't going to happen.

At first I thought this ship had been prevented from jumping so I was about to drop everything; apparently it's stationary, and is simply the end point of an expedition (I'm sure there will be more protest when the fleet arrives and someone starts the shooting and oh god how dare people) so I'll see what the state is post tick, and look at making a run if it's still busted.

 

[frostypaw]

It doesn't matter what you believe, what matter is if I broke the rules. Which I didn't because ua bombing is a feature of the game. You don't get to pick and choose when it's ok to do it and when it's not ok based of personal reasons. Your opinion doesn't matter.

So you can't explain how your actions were considerate, you can only try and make it about me?

Rightyho. It's not really anything to do with my opinion is it - I'm not picking and choosing anything. You're proactively choosing to do something which you know to be inconsiderate which is in violation of the EULA.

 

[Bryan K]

Technically he's right; DV is coming in here and gloating about working against us. If he wasn't trying to bully, why post? Best to ignore salt miners though; only engorges them.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/404254-Dove-Enigma-and-the-Enigma-Expedition

If he’s using the exploit mentioned above then he’s screwed anyway. If he’s not then there’s simply no way his actions will have any effect since we outnumber him by a “staggering” amount.

Either way, he’s toiling for nothing. Best to just chuckle and move on.

 

[Stealthie]

Didn't FDev recently confirm that mode-flipping was considered an exploit... technically?

I wonder what sort of action FDev might feel is appropriate if it turned out that the lulzbunnies responsible for this were mode-flipping to harvest UAs?

If it was me, and I'd already been mode-flipping to contribute toward this, I might be rather nervous.

 

[Lucifera Danzig]

Didn't FDev recently confirm that mode-flipping was considered an exploit... technically?

I wonder what sort of action FDev might feel is appropriate if it turned out that the lulzbunnies responsible for this were mode-flipping to harvest UAs?

If it was me, and I'd already been mode-flipping to contribute toward this, I might be rather nervous.

FDev stated mode flipping was "technically" an exploit, but weren't taking action against players for it. Wasn't on the top of their list.

Conversely, they stated this was possibly due to an outright known exploit they've patched in 3.0, and view this a bit more seriously if that was the case.

 

[Jmanis]

Didn't FDev recently confirm that mode-flipping was considered an exploit... technically?

I wonder what sort of action FDev might feel is appropriate if it turned out that the lulzbunnies responsible for this were mode-flipping to harvest UAs?

If it was me, and I'd already been mode-flipping to contribute toward this, I might be rather nervous.

The irony is, unless they buy all their MAs from Darnielle's Progress... it's highly likely any harvested MAs to counter this will be collected by mode-flipping.

It'd be pretty hypocritical if mode-flipping was the UA-exploit being referred to. Sounds more like something else though.

 

[Kaocraft]

FWIW, I've asked our player group in Colonia to run Meta Alloys to Dove Enigma.

I think if people care enough about this issue we can undo the damage that has been done.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

As I’ve said before. Maybe it’s not as well known because I’ve only told few players. I’m not just a “cancer guy”

I’ve long suffered tbi and ptsd, as well as tbi from brain surgery to remove a 4cm tumor from my left frontal lobe. Many days I get confused. I have emotional issues. I can differentiate real life from a game, but that’s people flying with me are my friends. It may not be much to some of you, but it was a big thing for me.

Trust me, I get that. Thank you for your reply.

 

[Stealthie]

FDev stated mode flipping was "technically" an exploit, but weren't taking action against players for it. Wasn't on the top of their list.

Conversely, they stated this was possibly due to an outright known exploit they've patched in 3.0, and view this a bit more seriously if that was the case.

I guess this is the sort of thing that might change priorities.

 

[AutoMechanical]

I haven't had a reason to fly out to Colonia until now. Time to reinstall, dust the hotas and gank me some salted trayduh. Which player groups are people hiding in I really need to know, for a friend of course.

 

[Lucifera Danzig]

I guess this is the sort of thing that might change priorities.

To clarify, "this" in my post meaning the specific separate exploit that may have been used in the UA bombing, not mode flipping.

 

[Kaocraft]

It's served to give people a pulpit to preach from. That's about it. It's counterable; and if people want to persist in using Colonia as a staging point, then that's their call; it's just remote as hell and vulnerable as a consequence. UA bombing has existed for a very long time; stations and ships with black markets are variably bombed all the time.

Lastly, it's not like it's the only place to land. People can leverage one of about 100 outposts or something out there for refuel/ repair/ rearm. Yeah, I get there's some questionable morals here; but it's counterable, and the person organising this seems pretty keen to hold some decorum. Be good if more people could reciprocate, but clearly that so isn't going to happen.

At first I thought this ship had been prevented from jumping so I was about to drop everything; apparently it's stationary, and is simply the end point of an expedition (I'm sure there will be more protest when the fleet arrives and someone starts the shooting and oh god how dare people) so I'll see what the state is post tick, and look at making a run if it's still busted.

The UA bombing has literally zero effect on the Expedition. You can still dock at Dove Enigma and no amount of UA bombing can change that. People are indignant because they either (A) do not understand the situation (due to people willfully misrepresenting what is going on, including in the title of this post), or (B) They're mad just because of the disrespect that is implied by the UA bombing act in and of itself.

It's worth noting that before the Dove Enigma debacle, there was *already* a campaign underway to UA bomb stations around Colonia. Before the Dove Enigma, there was another station (The Pit in Pennsylvania) which was successfully UA bombed, probably by the same group, to little fanfare. It's not totally insane to think that Dove Enigma was merely a circumstantial casualty of an already ongoing UA bombing campaign, rather than a specific attempt to target and immiserate a cancer patient. I for one had no idea about the significance of Dove Enigma, and I am stationed in Colonia and have docked at it several times!

In any case: nothing of importance is lost by the UA bombing. BUT! If you want to show your support for the Expedition and/or stick it in they eye of the UA bombers; you should load up your ship with Meta Alloys and head out to Colonia post-haste.

 

[sovapid]

As I’ve said before. Maybe it’s not as well known because I’ve only told few players. I’m not just a “cancer guy”

I’ve long suffered tbi and ptsd, as well as tbi from brain surgery to remove a 4cm tumor from my left frontal lobe. Many days I get confused. I have emotional issues. I can differentiate real life from a game, but that’s people flying with me are my friends. It may not be much to some of you, but it was a big thing for me.

This is probably gonna be the biggest fleet of ships moving meta alloys as far as they can be usefully moved in the game.

All to help out and keep your ship open.

You've got a lot of people flying for you....

 

[kofeyh]

The UA bombing has literally zero effect on the Expedition. You can still dock at Dove Enigma and no amount of UA bombing can change that.

Yeah, I am gathering this. The OP appeared to be sounding the klaxon call for support because something imminent, was being prevented. I naturally assumed this meant a planned ship relocation was on hold. I was mistaken.

I for one had no idea about the significance of Dove Enigma, and I am stationed in Colonia and have docked at it several times!

Neither. Had no clue. Which is why I incorrectly assumed from the OP that there was a catastrophic and immediate impact. As opposed to some lost services, and a ship that's never going to move.

BUT! If you want to show your support for the Expedition and/or stick it in they eye of the UA bombers; you should load up your ship with Meta Alloys and head out to Colonia post-haste.

Noted. I'll see how the next tick goes; then act accordingly.

 

[Bryan K]

I haven't had a reason to fly out to Colonia until now. Time to reinstall, dust the hotas and gank me some salted trayduh. Which player groups are people hiding in I really need to know, for a friend of course.

Solo. Good luck with that.

 

[AutoMechanical]

Solo. Good luck with that.

Just like the UA's...

Actually about that, your not even safe in solo. XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

https://youtu.be/RP0L4W_vma8

 

[Bryan K]

Just like the UA's...

Irrelevant now. There’s so many people moving MAs now that further UA bombing will have no effect. FDev pretty much confirmed that.

 

[Arindor]

If my actions through normal gameplay are indirectly responsible for station services to be reduced, what exactly am I guilty of except playing the game?