New Crime & Punishment Will Be Broken If You Fly with CRIMES OFF
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Consensual pvp is (usually) conducted between players with crimes off. The attackers had crimes on.
Read the words you quoted.
I didn't read the whole lot of the tread so this suggestion might have been made already:
Maybe it would be usefull to have three options for "report crimes against me" instead of the binary on/off:
- off
- report only
- report and call for support
The OP could then use the second option, the attackers would become wanted but the police won't show up.
What do you think?
Maybe it would be usefull to have three options for "report crimes against me" instead of the binary on/off:
- off
- report only
- report and call for support
The OP could then use the second option, the attackers would become wanted but the police won't show up.
What do you think?
I did. 'supports consensual pvp well, too', I don't believe that's correct, because as I say, 'consensual' pvp doesn't involve police (usually), so consensual pvpers usually have crimes turned off.
If I'm missing something, feel free to treat me like I'm stupid, I didn't get much sleep last night.
Yes, this has been suggested, those of us who think the situation in the op is not 'right', support it. Those who don't see a problem don't seem to be against it, per se, they just don't see a need to change something that they dont't see as a problem, despite the elegance of the solution and it not affecting the way they play (at least not in a way that they have been able to articulate adequately yet).
It's "report crimes against me", not merely "report crimes"
The existing mechanism supports consensual PvP. If both/all players agree to turn report crimes off, or do their deed in uncontrolled space it works. If you want to be boy racers on the local ring road you can't expect the same level of tolerance from the locals as you would get racing at a track (or even in a field with permission from the owner). Or compare a brawl in a bar to an organised boxing match.
The mechanism supports consensual PvP, but it is primarily a game with rules & laws. If you want to fight 'honourably' you can, the OP was not in that situation. He/she probably naively thought they were, but they weren't and it was a learning experience for them.
The reason why this has become a big deal is the bigger fines & bounties in 3.0, and the increased difficulty in getting rid of them means a mistake like this is a bigger deal than it used to be, that's all. The mechanism hasn't changed (arguably it could be improved), the players' reaction to the mechanism has changed.
Organised PvP is a thing, just as racing on a closed course is.
Freeform PvP is a thing, just as boy racers on a Saturday night do their thing, Generally considered antisocial, but can be fun, can be deadly.
'Consensual PvP' as you (and the OP) describe it is a subset of the boy racers, not a subset of motorsport like drifting, say, and if someone calls the cops it's going to get messy. Nobody calls the cops on an organised event.
I hope that makes more sense
I have suggested this solution. It's how I originally thought it worked.
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Well yes, in this case it should be changed to "report all crimes" - the former is clearly way too exploitable.
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Indeed it may be, but I like the idea. That reporting crimes is a hardwired part of your ship and so works for all crimes in systems where the feature is supported. By turning off you are technically doing something you probably shouldn't (a bit like bent coppers covering their collar number ID when being shady). I have no problem with the report crimes but don't request backup option. But I like this idea too personally
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Oh, I get it.
So I can switch to OPEN, have REPORT CRIMES turned ON for myself, then look for people who usually PvP (with crimes OFF) and attack them.
This way I get part of my re-buy refunded in case I am destroyed, police pops in to help me defeat the guy I opened fire on, they get jack, and on top of that they get bounty on their heads.
And that works as intended? Hahaha!
I guess the concept of "necessary self-defense" (or whatever the English version of this is), and how it frees the defender from any responsibility from inflicting damage on the attacker in order to repel the attack in defense of one's health and life, has escaped 34th century mankind.
So I can switch to OPEN, have REPORT CRIMES turned ON for myself, then look for people who usually PvP (with crimes OFF) and attack them.
This way I get part of my re-buy refunded in case I am destroyed, police pops in to help me defeat the guy I opened fire on, they get jack, and on top of that they get bounty on their heads.
And that works as intended? Hahaha!
I guess the concept of "necessary self-defense" (or whatever the English version of this is), and how it frees the defender from any responsibility from inflicting damage on the attacker in order to repel the attack in defense of one's health and life, has escaped 34th century mankind.
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Exactly. Turning off report crimes is just a 'cool' trend, analogous to refusing to wear a seatbelt because you don't think you'll crash. It's there to help, not just an inconvenience. Keep it on unless you trust the other player(s) or are prepared to accept the consequenses (or are wanted anyway).
I like this solution too.
Right, so if I get mugged in a dark alley, and happen to not call the cops, and then get a knife in my ribs, that's my fault for not calling cops.
Furthermore, if muggers call the cops instead, because while trying to avoid being mugged I happened to punch them in the face, immediate thing coppers will do upon arrival is to arrest me for trying to defend my wallet, and ignore muggers and their knife stuck in my rib cage, as well as missing wallet. Cause I didn't call them, but muggers happened to have.
That makes so much logical sense it's Benny Hill-worthy.
Again, 21st century (in fact, 19th century) constitutional rights have escaped 34th century civilization. Because he turned his cell phone off while being mugged. LOL
Furthermore, if muggers call the cops instead, because while trying to avoid being mugged I happened to punch them in the face, immediate thing coppers will do upon arrival is to arrest me for trying to defend my wallet, and ignore muggers and their knife stuck in my rib cage, as well as missing wallet. Cause I didn't call them, but muggers happened to have.
That makes so much logical sense it's Benny Hill-worthy.
Again, 21st century (in fact, 19th century) constitutional rights have escaped 34th century civilization. Because he turned his cell phone off while being mugged. LOL
If you get stabbed in the back alley (ooh-err) you would want the police to help you. If there was an automatic crime reporting gadget you would want it switched on in that circumstance, right?
Unless you were a wanted criminal, in which case maybe you would call a buddy to come get you (and maybe sort out mister stabby too).
Yes, I would. Unless I forgot to switch it on, but I happen to be expert in martial arts and perfectly capable of defending myself.
How does that deny me the right to defend myself? And how does that logically make me the offender?
Then you'll understand the consequences of striking back. You'll also understand that the Police will want to talk to you about the incident. Without evidence your martial art skills are all for nothing if you get framed buddy
Wow, gald to see people are starting to talk sense
I only suggested exactly this way back on page 10 or something and may not even have been the first person to say it.The down side to this if it ever were implemented is that you would have "NOT FAIR!!" threads being posted by traders having forgotten to turn OFF report crimes and being fined and denied services for having a hold full of contraband that was legal where they bought it but illegal where they are now.
As for the OP I get where he's coming from but "not fair" is just about the first life lesson that we all learn. Really he's mugged himself as much as the griefers and the crime reporting system did.
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You still haven't answered me how not calling cops logically denies me the constitutional right to self-defense, and makes me the offender when I'm not the one initiating combat.