My theory evolved over a couple of posts as people pointed stuff out that I'd got wrong. Either way, the Beluga needs this buff and whether my approach or yours, I'd be happy. Like poonjabby said, it's horrible to fly with heat issues and the agility sucks too. FDev must have stats on ship ownership and the Beluga must be unloved. Do I buy one to show that people use it or will that make them think all is good?
A Beluga Buff Thread (now with facts and figures)
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My theory evolved over a couple of posts as people pointed stuff out that I'd got wrong. Either way, the Beluga needs this buff and whether my approach or yours, I'd be happy. Like poonjabby said, it's horrible to fly with heat issues and the agility sucks too. FDev must have stats on ship ownership and the Beluga must be unloved. Do I buy one to show that people use it or will that make them think all is good?
I would like to see the liners, Dolphin, Orca and Beluga, all perform like the liners they are supposed to be. I would love to see more cabin space in the larger liners and all liners to have a special type of FSD which when fitted to a normal ship is just like it is now. However put it into a liner and the jump range is increased by 2x for example or even more which would be tremendous for doing those 25k+ Ly missions.
It's about time the liners started being liners.
It's about time the liners started being liners.
I've done my share of passenger missions, and I never really satisfied the need for a dedicated liner in my fleet. the dolphin was a great addition IMO, whereas the beluga was a real miss shot. The weirdest design of all ships IMO (and I like elite ship designs...), and as if its quirks were not enough, it has long been the king of NPC mailslot deaths. As if the whole ship was kind of an elaborate joke.
But I'd really want it to shine and outclass anything in the passenger role. 2 5size dedicated cabin slots should be upped to class6. To compensate, hull mass should be dropped (I've read the T-9's hull is now 850. Don't tell me that thing is now 100 tons lighter than this ship 30% made of tinted glass?).
It should be fast (stock) with good jump range even when fitted for defence (why implement SLF for them then?).
And more luxury missions on the board, obviously.
But I'd really want it to shine and outclass anything in the passenger role. 2 5size dedicated cabin slots should be upped to class6. To compensate, hull mass should be dropped (I've read the T-9's hull is now 850. Don't tell me that thing is now 100 tons lighter than this ship 30% made of tinted glass?).
It should be fast (stock) with good jump range even when fitted for defence (why implement SLF for them then?).
And more luxury missions on the board, obviously.
Lots of stuff I can agree with there. I did the exploration grind a long while back before the dolphin existed but it would have been great. Luxury cabin, great jump range and all the other stuff you need as an explorer. The build just makes sense and really fits a role. The Beluga though is completely illogical. Large ships aren't going to get filled with luxury passengers all going to the same black hole 12kly out, RNG would never allow it. So it's bulk A-B for this and for that you need more passenger space to fill that role.
Also, your right it's crazy heavy and large. What is actually in all that space. Lore wise, how can a small warship like the Anaconda carry more people than a cruise liner 50% bigger than it.
Also, your right it's crazy heavy and large. What is actually in all that space. Lore wise, how can a small warship like the Anaconda carry more people than a cruise liner 50% bigger than it.
The entire thread misses one fact:
Beluga Liner
Max Luxury Passengers: 40 (32 shielded)
Anaconda
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
Type 9
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
Federal Corvette
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
Imperial Cutter
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
There is it's niche. You are transporting only cattle ? By all means, do that with one of the other ships. They *are* for that. Want to transport VIPs ? No can do unless you use the Beluga or the smaller Saud Krugers.
Beluga Liner
Max Luxury Passengers: 40 (32 shielded)
Anaconda
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
Type 9
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
Federal Corvette
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
Imperial Cutter
Max Luxury Passengers: 0
There is it's niche. You are transporting only cattle ? By all means, do that with one of the other ships. They *are* for that. Want to transport VIPs ? No can do unless you use the Beluga or the smaller Saud Krugers.
Yes this has already been pointed out and is perfectly reasonable in a ship like the dolphin which has the jump range/versatility for long range VIP missions. The Beluga is just carrying extra bulk that isn't needed when RNG will only ever give you one mission going to one place. Even if you are talking about bulk moving VIP, the Anaconda does it better since it has 12 individual compartments compared to 11. By all means make the new slots non-luxury ones so that the Beluga isn't receiving extra niche.
Obviously didn't read very far then did you?
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We read far enough that this is just another thread that wants more internal slots.
Again this would mean adjusting the mechanics of all ships. If 8E passenger cabins existed then the type 9 would become the best passenger hauler. Although at this moment I'd take it because apparently asking for the largest passenger liner in the game to translate into usable cabin space is blasphemy to the entire Beluga fan club (all 3 members).
sorry, was on my phone and was unable to coherently write a post
What i mean is, get some size 8 passenger only cabins that are locked to a passenger slot. basically like luxury is except instead make it economy, it can't fit in a normal size 8 slot, it only fits in a passenger slot (maybe make it red background or blue background, like luxury is black background). something that says, hey you have a Type 9 or Type 10? do some cargo / combat. You have a belluga, shield up, passenger up, but don't expect to do anything combat related. As it is now, combat ships excel in everything that the passenger only ships do, there needs to be a role for the passenger ships that they do best and other ships do poorly. Either through exclusive cabins (of all sizes and quality) or some sort of cabin buff where on an anaconda you can do 12 passengers and on a belluga you can do 12 + a modifier, that way there is a sheer advantage for passengers on those ships but a sheer disadvantage on other features. Thats why as it stands having universal slots make it harder to balance where its better with miitary slots / passenger slots / etc.
I agree with the OP, but I also think they should jump farther as well:
If you take maritime ships as an example, luxury cruise ships have more range, are larger & faster than all other types.
Weirdly enough: perfect for wartime troop transports & emergency evacuations
If you take maritime ships as an example, luxury cruise ships have more range, are larger & faster than all other types.
Weirdly enough: perfect for wartime troop transports & emergency evacuations
not really, no. Higher sized restricted internals maybe? what's wrong with that, anyway? afraid it might turn out to be an acceptable ship? don't worry. It won't put any other ship in jeopardy, combat or hauling-wise.
Wait did you all think I was asking for the Beluga to become a better passenger hauler. No, I'm going to make it the best warship with all 5 of those class 2 hardpoints. Oh man those Cutters won't see it coming
If you are going to point out it does "the best niche job" I would like to point out we know that, as stated for the second or third time before you made that comment. There are no such things as bulk, or common luxury passenger missions. So, even if you can manage to rngesus your way to fill all those slots, (probably in a couple hours, maybe more) your ROI will be lower than any other profession. (except player pirating
)Airliners sell luxury tickets every day. Even when you go to the most remote regional airport, if a private jet could land at it, it probably has. Point being, the frequency of Luxury mission occurrence is extremely low in consideration of the bubbles massive population.
You can't take luxy passengers without luxy cabins, so making them as rare as core dynamics composite, kills the point of a large luxury ship. I would even be satisfied, if large hubs provided them more frequently. Like a need for frequent luxury transport between Achenar, and Sol, it makes sense, requires permits, and would be a welcome addition. Another idea, large hubs to tourism/resort stations that currently exist in the game already.
As stated before, multi role combat ship outperforms Beluga in every category except luxury. Again, if they don't make the ship more profitable for first class, and business class, (different or more slots) then they should up the frequency of luxury missions.
All opposition is welcome, but I really can't understand why there would be any, we are not asking for more weapons, armor, or anything that would make this ship better at being anything more than the best passenger liner.
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Yes and/or no, see above. However, you would be correct if you said "this is the 10+ thread I've seen asking for a beluga buff, post jump range buff"..... I mean, what possible other buff could you ask for that would be acceptable? More weapons? no, its in the top 30%dps already, more armor? no, you are not supposed to be fighting things with it, it really doesn't need the armor/hardpoints it has to begin with... more cargo? nope, not a big rig for space truckin.... more power? I just can't do it captain, it doesn't need most of the power it already has.... more jump range? ehhh... could always use more of that in any ship, it's mostly a want.......... Seriously, if you are not interested in adding to the discussion, of why, how, or why not, why click the link? If reading this is a waste of your time and others, why bother responding?
Inspired by your comment, I add my own. We read far enough to know, that very few people give two $#!+S about the beluga. Why fix a problem, when anaconda already does the job. Its not used enough by anyone that tries to fill it to capacity with luxury missions, to garner enough salt to pay FDEV the community sorrow fee to buff the ship.
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I've spent a large amount of time arguing this buff on another thread over the weekend and to quote myself from there:
The normal arguments against this appear to be that it's not broken HOWEVER we could do this: insert nonsense semi-roleplay reason. which again to quote myself:
The person I was arguing with even talked about how they use a Corvette as an explorer so clearly are not the kind of player that knows how this game works. Making crazy niche choices like travelling to SagA in a sidewinder is perfectly acceptable but don't expect the rest of us to do it. Almost all players will fly whatever ship gives them the highest cr/hr ratio and that answer is almost always the Anaconda. It's great that the type-9 is receiving a buff as now there is a reason to fly it. Now the Beluga needs the same treatment and then maybe players will actually have a choice when deciding what ship to fly.
The normal arguments against this appear to be that it's not broken HOWEVER we could do this: insert nonsense semi-roleplay reason. which again to quote myself:
The person I was arguing with even talked about how they use a Corvette as an explorer so clearly are not the kind of player that knows how this game works. Making crazy niche choices like travelling to SagA in a sidewinder is perfectly acceptable but don't expect the rest of us to do it. Almost all players will fly whatever ship gives them the highest cr/hr ratio and that answer is almost always the Anaconda. It's great that the type-9 is receiving a buff as now there is a reason to fly it. Now the Beluga needs the same treatment and then maybe players will actually have a choice when deciding what ship to fly.
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I guess you're right on point with the current Beluga situation.
Although it's my main ship playing in open atm, I just can summarize my experience in: There is always another ship which is better for what you want to do.
Maybe that's why its one of the least two played ships.
The most useful niche for the Beluga I can think of is either long range cargo hauling or long range passenger missions. The fuel tank is just huge. You can get 200+ ly out of it without scooping and much engineering.
But since the T9 seems to get a buff, I would rather scoop some some suns with it than using the Beluga for cargo. So what remains? Yes the passenger missions. But the "bulk" / luxury cabin problem has already been mentioned...
In other words: Its getting kinda frustrating to want to fly this ship without any change.
Although it's my main ship playing in open atm, I just can summarize my experience in: There is always another ship which is better for what you want to do.
Maybe that's why its one of the least two played ships.
The most useful niche for the Beluga I can think of is either long range cargo hauling or long range passenger missions. The fuel tank is just huge. You can get 200+ ly out of it without scooping and much engineering.
But since the T9 seems to get a buff, I would rather scoop some some suns with it than using the Beluga for cargo. So what remains? Yes the passenger missions. But the "bulk" / luxury cabin problem has already been mentioned...
In other words: Its getting kinda frustrating to want to fly this ship without any change.
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That is exactly it for me too. I really want to fly this thing. I really want to hate it's guts everytime I get stuck in the mailslot or have to run from every pirate because it couldn't possibly defend itself. I enjoy the trade-offs in this game but if it's all bad then how can it be justified.