Exploring Water Worlds - Dolphin, Orca, Beluga

OHMSS · Feb 3, 2018

Our passenger ships are named after marine mammals - Dolphin, Orca and Beluga.

Was there ever anything in books or lore, or anything in the kick starter that showed these ships could float or submerge like a submarine on a water world?

Might be an interesting upcoming feature at some point.

metatheurgist · Feb 3, 2018

Nope. Not at all.

OHMSS · Feb 3, 2018

metatheurgist said:
Nope. Not at all.

http://i.imgur.com/cIN6Z6e.jpg

Oh haha! Thanks.

Fenris Wolf · Feb 3, 2018

You can't really use space travelling vessels as underwater vessels though due to the different sorts of pressure.

Space - vessels designed to keep the pressure inside.

Underwater - vessels designed to keep the pressure outside.

Para Handy · Feb 3, 2018

OHMSS said:
.......
................. ships could float or submerge like a submarine on a water world?

Might be an interesting upcoming feature at some point.

Fenris Wolf said:
You can't really use space travelling vessels as underwater vessels though due to the different sorts of pressure.

........

We do have the Moray Star Boat to look forward to.

http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Moray_'Starboat'

Developed initially as a submarine flyingboat, Marine Trench Co. soon saw the possibilities for extending their operations into space and the Moray SFB became the "Star Boat" after its ingenious adaptations were completed.

[arrrr]

Mrat13 · Feb 3, 2018

I've just had an awesome idea....

What if we had a new SRV, that was a sub, and then we could explore water worlds.

Would require interesting ways to deploy and retrieve the sub, but it'd be a new, interesting gameplay element.

Adhock · Feb 3, 2018

I'm actually pretty sure that someone from Frontier somewhere mentioned they were kicking around the idea of actually letting our ships submerge once they added things like atmospheric flight and oceans.

Along with underwater landing pads.

Maybe I was imagining that last one.

Fenris Wolf said:
You can't really use space travelling vessels as underwater vessels though due to the different sorts of pressure

Fenris Wolf said:
Space - vessels designed to keep the pressure inside.

Underwater - vessels designed to keep the pressure outside.

Then why do spacecraft not explode instantly when they hit atmo? If they're designed to keep the pressure in, then they shouldn't be able to take air pressure which is the reason for explosive decompression.

Chris Simon · Feb 3, 2018

Fenris Wolf said:
You can't really use space travelling vessels as underwater vessels though due to the different sorts of pressure.

Space - vessels designed to keep the pressure inside.

Underwater - vessels designed to keep the pressure outside.

That's certainly true for our "real world" materials. Though I think Elite ships are much more sturdy and capable of withstanding pressures and damage in both directions. Take the accelerations rates of our ships, for example. Ships in elite are hundreds of tonnes, yet they can accelerate at the rates of tens of 'g's without any structural problems.

Leadfoot · Feb 3, 2018

Fenris Wolf said:
Space - vessels designed to keep the pressure inside.
Underwater - vessels designed to keep the pressure outside.

Fireball Junior could do it.

John Xenir · Feb 3, 2018

Chris Simon said:
That's certainly true for our "real world" materials. Though I think Elite ships are much more sturdy and capable of withstanding pressures and damage in both directions.(...)

I would take it one step further and say that Elite not only contradicts real world, but also its own internal logic.
I guess no one should be surprised by the space-underwater boat by now.

Markzeero · Feb 3, 2018

Mrat said:
I've just had an awesome idea....

What if we had a new SRV, that was a sub, and then we could explore water worlds.

Would require interesting ways to deploy and retrieve the sub, but it'd be a new, interesting gameplay element.

There is already a way to retrieve a craft. A few days ago I recalled my ship when I was on an extensive uneven surface, the ship came in, didn't drop the landing gear but instead just hovered while I boarded. I'd like to be able to do that more often.

Cheers,
Mark

syngyne · Feb 3, 2018

Adhock said:
I'm actually pretty sure that someone from Frontier somewhere mentioned they were kicking around the idea of actually letting our ships submerge once they added things like atmospheric flight and oceans.

Along with underwater landing pads.

Maybe I was imagining that last one.

Then why do spacecraft not explode instantly when they hit atmo? If they're designed to keep the pressure in, then they shouldn't be able to take air pressure which is the reason for explosive decompression.

It’s the amount of pressure that’s the problem. In a spaceship leaving an earthlike planet, you’re only dealing with a change of one atmosphere of pressure, so a spaceship doesn’t need to be able to handle any more than that (strengthening it to withstand more would cost more weight). The pressure under an ocean can be easily several hundred times that.

Yaffle · Feb 3, 2018

syngyne said:
It’s the amount of pressure that’s the problem. In a spaceship leaving an earthlike planet, you’re only dealing with a change of one atmosphere of pressure, so a spaceship doesn’t need to be able to handle any more than that (strengthening it to withstand more would cost more weight). The pressure under an ocean can be easily several hundred times that.

As professor Farnsworth explains...

[video=youtube;O4RLOo6bchU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RLOo6bchU[/video]

LJITimate · Feb 3, 2018

What about a ship that can go underwater but only flies sideways like a crab

Ouberos · Feb 3, 2018

LJITimate said:
What about a ship that can go underwater but only flies sideways like a crab

This seems to be a perfectly reasonable compromise to me.

GG7 · Feb 3, 2018

The Cobra 3 might be able to handle both.

I always said it reminded me of the "Flying Sub" from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf2uGNvmIRk

Laste · Feb 3, 2018

Can't wait for my python to wrap around another ship and squeeze it to death.

Ian Skippy · Feb 3, 2018

John Xenir said:
I would take it one step further and say that Elite not only contradicts real world, but also its own internal logic.
I guess no one should be surprised by the space-underwater boat by now.

Not 'by now', the notion of spaceships being able to go underwater predates beta.

GJ51 · Feb 3, 2018

My ships can do it, they're made from handwaveonium

IndigoWyrd · Feb 3, 2018

Para Handy said:
We do have the Moray Star Boat to look forward to.

https://i.imgur.com/l5lerwA.gif

http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Moray_'Starboat'

Developed initially as a submarine flyingboat, Marine Trench Co. soon saw the possibilities for extending their operations into space and the Moray SFB became the "Star Boat" after its ingenious adaptations were completed.

[arrrr]

"Aquatic space-faring races are the main users of this multi-purpose vessel, " - This does more than just suggest, this rather spells out that there are known aliens, other than Thargoids and their ilk out there. What are these "aquatic space-faring races"?