I Am Feeling...Beige.

[Ralph Vargr]

For some days, now, I have been using my KWS while it is still useful.

While being a trained combat pilot myself, I'm finding it not very much fun anymore. I am saturated with materials, and a good combat build means an expensive rebuy. I hate rebuy's.

Last night, I was unlucky, and lost seven million on a bad call I made. My fault, but that goes into the risk/reward equation. Like pot odds in poker, the gain is not worth the rebuy.

The last resorts for gaining reputation are the mission board, trade, and exploration data.

It may be time to cash in all of my KWS gear, and simply grind at a less risky table.

This makes me feel... Beige. Old. Depressed.

Thank you, Frontier, for the memories.

 

[Eidolon]

Don't be beige Ralph.
I know precisely how you feel about the KWS, I do too.

Dont sell them if you have the engineered use the expanded storage given to us in 3.0.

You never know, they may be made so useless that it comes around full circle again and they are made good again?

Feeling a little tan now myself....

 

[Iskariot]

For some days, now, I have been using my KWS while it is still useful.

While being a trained combat pilot myself, I'm finding it not very much fun anymore. I am saturated with materials, and a good combat build means an expensive rebuy. I hate rebuy's.

Last night, I was unlucky, and lost seven million on a bad call I made. My fault, but that goes into the risk/reward equation. Like pot odds in poker, the gain is not worth the rebuy.

The last resorts for gaining reputation are the mission board, trade, and exploration data.

It may be time to cash in all of my KWS gear, and simply grind at a less risky table.

This makes me feel... Beige. Old. Depressed.

Thank you, Frontier, for the memories.

I do expect FDev to come back to the KWS when they have the time to flesh out bounty hunt gameplay a bit more.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Don't be beige Ralph.
I know precisely how you feel about the KWS, I do too.

Dont sell them if you have the engineered use the expanded storage given to us in 3.0.

You never know, they may be made so useless that it comes around full circle again and they are made good again?

Feeling a little tan now myself....

Thanks.

It will be a while before they backpedal on the KWS. None of mine are engineered, but my shield boosters are.

Simply have to wait this out.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Thanks.

It will be a while before they backpedal on the KWS. None of mine are engineered, but my shield boosters are.

Simply have to wait this out.

I dont think they can backpedal, its apparantly related to some under-the-hood changes with C&P. So we'll have to wait and see how it works out and what FD plans to do. I still dont quite understand the issue fully though, from what I saw in 3.0 you still get more money with than without a KWS, so its still worth a slot if you have plenty utilities. :S

 

[Valorin]

Perhaps first try once 3.0 launched and then give some feedback on the actual implementation?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

It's 2018 and there's nothing wrong with admitting you're Beige these days.
There are always going to be hold-overs who just can't accept that others are perfectly accepting or open about their Beige-ness. But don't worry about them, don't let them hold you back. If anything, feel a little bad for them, since they can't understand how liberating it feels to admit your true color.

 

[Mengy]

Thanks.

It will be a while before they backpedal on the KWS. None of mine are engineered, but my shield boosters are.

Simply have to wait this out.

I feel for you Ralph. I had to similarly wait out the beigification of planets for over a year, and it was not easy. Truthfully it pushed me away from Elite for most of 2017. The KWS downgrade will do the same for a lot of combat players no doubt, and I wish it wasn't going to happen.

Hopefully you won't have wait as long as I did for an improvement.

 

[Adhock]

It will be a while before they backpedal on the KWS. None of mine are engineered, but my shield boosters are.

Simply have to wait this out.

In the meantime I can keep slapping them on how stupid the change was. Honestly it really feels like Frontier has problems with Law Enforcement having any teeth what so ever. I understand for a credit and BGS perspective but I see it going deeper then that. The reason for the change cited was so it wouldn't break the backs of any lawbreakers. Which is why we demanded the new C&P. Then they defanged law enforcement again.

I do need to check on the state of my territory though. I have something in the works for War Chasers right now that might help alleviate some of the woes Combat players might have.

It might tide them over until Frontier realizes they're borking with the KWS.

 

[Ziljan]

KWS change is irrelevant because the CR/second rate is at best equal to the CR/second rate of just killing more ships, especially when you factor in the time spent traveling to other systems to collect the other bounties. The only time the KWS gives a greater return is when the spawn rate is sufficiently slower than the kill rate, and if you're in an instance like that, you're better off resetting or finding a better spot anyway.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

In the meantime I can keep slapping them on how stupid the change was. Honestly it really feels like Frontier has problems with Law Enforcement having any teeth what so ever. I understand for a credit and BGS perspective but I see it going deeper then that. The reason for the change cited was so it wouldn't break the backs of any lawbreakers. Which is why we demanded the new C&P. Then they defanged law enforcement again.

I do need to check on the state of my territory though. I have something in the works for War Chasers right now that might help alleviate some of the woes Combat players might have.

It might tide them over until Frontier realizes they're borking with the KWS.

They are obsessed with PvP, over PvE. They are more afraid of backlash from PvP players, than PvE players.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I feel for you Ralph. I had to similarly wait out the beigification of planets for over a year, and it was not easy. Truthfully it pushed me away from Elite for most of 2017. The KWS downgrade will do the same for a lot of combat players no doubt, and I wish it wasn't going to happen.

Hopefully you won't have wait as long as I did for an improvement.

I think there is an internal development cycle that holds things back. It's like Sisyphus And The Rock...

 

[Genus]

I think there is an internal development cycle that holds things back. It's like Sisyphus And The Rock...

It can feel like that, especially when process changes take place. Especially when things like the situation with the KWS scanner impact the way you play in the way you outlined in your OP. Trying to rationalise matters just gets compounded, when the rational is automated or simply not fit-for-purpose as inferred in your OP.

I'm sure it will be fixed back again, like most things seem to be eventually. It may take some time, but soon someone clever will find out a way to exploit the KWS system, as they seem to in many other processes in ED. In or out of the game.

Obviously I mean third parties.

As others have stated in this thread, until then, entertain your favourite activities elsewhere in game or out. The beigeness will retreat, until accountability is satisfied and you're able to feel Rep and all the activities around it actually mean something again.

If you know what I mean.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

It can feel like that, especially when process changes take place. Especially when things like the situation with the KWS scanner impact the way you play in the way you outlined in your OP. Trying to rationalise matters just gets compounded, when the rational is automated or simply not fit-for-purpose as inferred in your OP.

I'm sure it will be fixed back again, like most things seem to be eventually. It may take some time, but soon someone clever will find out a way to exploit the KWS system, as they seem to in many other processes in ED. In or out of the game.

Obviously I mean third parties.

As others have stated in this thread, until then, entertain your favourite activities elsewhere in game or out. The beigeness will retreat, until accountability is satisfied and you're able to feel Rep and all the activities around it actually mean something again.

If you know what I mean.

You're right, and I took a break today.

On commander PM'ed me and suggested this:

"I often go for a fish finger sandwich, with an egg on top and real butter. It may not shorten the wait for improvements, but has remarkable healing properties for a beige soul and would certainly improve your mood. If you're into that sort of thing of course."

Comfort Food is a Good Idea. Arby's has a sale on fish sandwiches right now. I got four.

They were good.

On the idea of what to do about the empty slot...

Maybe we could have a utility slot that dispensed fake goods? It would need ammo (or synthesis), of course, but imagine dumping fake rares, etc, for a would be pirate to snarf up? It would be a snap for the Mistress to program, and would be a valid gameplay/roleplay idea. They stop to snarf the stuff, you escape.

A drone decoy/Wild Weasel controller would work too. Barrage ECM, IR decoys, the works. Draws the turrets away.

But, it's hard to turn down Comfort Food. Thanks!

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Perhaps first try once 3.0 launched and then give some feedback on the actual implementation?

I'll try, of course. But, I'm not optimistic. There will be changes that will need to be validated, etc, and it will take time.

It's 2018 and there's nothing wrong with admitting you're Beige these days.
There are always going to be hold-overs who just can't accept that others are perfectly accepting or open about their Beige-ness. But don't worry about them, don't let them hold you back. If anything, feel a little bad for them, since they can't understand how liberating it feels to admit your true color.

Mine used to be Olive Drab...

I feel for you Ralph. I had to similarly wait out the beigification of planets for over a year, and it was not easy. Truthfully it pushed me away from Elite for most of 2017. The KWS downgrade will do the same for a lot of combat players no doubt, and I wish it wasn't going to happen.

Hopefully you won't have wait as long as I did for an improvement.

One never knows, with Frontier's development cycle.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

In the meantime I can keep slapping them on how stupid the change was. Honestly it really feels like Frontier has problems with Law Enforcement having any teeth what so ever. I understand for a credit and BGS perspective but I see it going deeper then that. The reason for the change cited was so it wouldn't break the backs of any lawbreakers. Which is why we demanded the new C&P. Then they defanged law enforcement again.

I do need to check on the state of my territory though. I have something in the works for War Chasers right now that might help alleviate some of the woes Combat players might have.

It might tide them over until Frontier realizes they're borking with the KWS.

Slapping them is chopping down the forest with a herring. Also violates the TOS.

Eating Comfort Food is a better idea (if not so great for your weight).

 

[Quantis Trap]

I'm assuming that the reason FDev decided to change the KWS is a technical one. I have a feeling that they probably couldn't get the performance they wanted on honking a KWS in the new C&P and nerfing the KWS was the only short term solution.

I've come to this conclusion because that's the only reason I can come up with which would explain why they haven't explained the rational for making the change.

If I've missed somewhere Frontier has explain the reason, please let me know.

If I'm right, I hope they'll restore the KWS to it's former functionality once they figure out how to make it efficient.

 

[Marcus Tullius]

I'm assuming that the reason FDev decided to change the KWS is a technical one. I have a feeling that they probably couldn't get the performance they wanted on honking a KWS in the new C&P and nerfing the KWS was the only short term solution.

I've come to this conclusion because that's the only reason I can come up with which would explain why they haven't explained the rational for making the change.

If I've missed somewhere Frontier has explain the reason, please let me know.

If I'm right, I hope they'll restore the KWS to it's former functionality once they figure out how to make it efficient.

There is very simple explanation: they don’t want the players to earn reputation with factions by using KWS. It fits perfectly with FD’s aim to increase grind as an overall conclusion for 3.0. changes.

 

[gord-s]

<snip> Beige

(OffT)
expected: Lindyhop and chainmail discussion, or at the very least, PvP combat in the context of ancient Greece
got: KWS thread

(OnT)
I've never got into the KWS - mainly due to my noob experiences - by the time the scan completed I'd been interdicted, killed or be half dead from someone else.

My situation:
I'm 100% PvE, play "in the spirit" (no hopping, exploiting, I just bandwagon on Youtube's latest "Elite Dangerous per hour "/ sort by date search to earn credits to have fun. I have several thousand hours total, 600M+ in bank right now. Off the shelf Conda as biggest ship, lightly engineered Vulture for fun. Not sure I can afford running costs of a Cutter, so I'm holding off on buying one. Double Elite but only Dangerous combat rank.

Except that no combat makes the game way too boring, so I usually don't play these days. Rebuys regularly kill me (I'm not a very good combat guy TBH, but it's great fun), so without some new "XX beeelion Cr per hour" run, no combat until the next money-run is found.


So, I hear your general sentiment but attribute it to something much larger and more ominous:

My suspicion is that the forum fun-stealers have FD's ear and are turning the game into a game of snooker or carpet bowls. Strict dress code in the clubhouse, no talking in the reading room, etc etc.

This impacts across all play styles, PvE players need fun and motivation just as much as PvPers.
I'd suggests PvPers need way more burnable credits than me, but I simply don't have the time to grind for hours to have 15 mins of risky-rebuy combat fun, even in a CZ - bear in mind, I'm never going to "git gud" or engineer top-end godroll ships - it's just not my playstyle to spend every hour at the weekends grinding to get there.

The original Elite on the beeb micro was fun product, and I mean Lifechanging Event fun. Even if you had only 30 minutes a day. In contrast, ED seems to be is a design by whinge and whine. "Beige" doesn't beging to describe how P'd off I am at that realisation.
I was looking forward to years of fun when I bought it - literally.

I want to play ED and I want to feel like I'm enjoying it. I don't want to crippled, confused or depressed by knee-jerk nerfs. I don't want to grind for 1000 hours because I'm a noob and that's the only way to do it. I don't want to be repeatedly told I'm an exploiter, cheater, faction-killer, board hopper, noob, old fart, fill-yer-bootser or anything else. I just want to play withing the game boundaries and enjoy it for an hour or two a day.

I've had some fun but honestly, the thought-police have me right where they want me - spending my money somewhere else.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I'm assuming that the reason FDev decided to change the KWS is a technical one. I have a feeling that they probably couldn't get the performance they wanted on honking a KWS in the new C&P and nerfing the KWS was the only short term solution.

I've come to this conclusion because that's the only reason I can come up with which would explain why they haven't explained the rational for making the change.

If I've missed somewhere Frontier has explain the reason, please let me know.

If I'm right, I hope they'll restore the KWS to it's former functionality once they figure out how to make it efficient.

There's a sticky thread on the Dangerous Discussion page, started by Sandro Sammarco.