General / Off-Topic The Physics is Dead. Long live the Physics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1sxOf_awuI

The Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics has derailed science and stifiled progress for far too long.

Physics is struggling. A new and physical based, actual theory is needed.

QM is bizarre, counter-intuitive, seems more like a religious cult.

Reality is not metaphysical, nor is it wave equations on paper that collapse when observed.

Reality is based on classical physics of Newton and Maxwell.

The moon is real, and existed far before humans ever "observed" it and caused a "wave function collapse".

Get real physics.

Solve what an electron really is. It isn't a statistical probability. We have much better equipment than 100 years ago. An electron is a real physical particle. Deal with it and move past your current choking paradigm.

Looking forward to some young up-start totally dis-orienting QM priests and helping advance physics and bringing back experiment and real science to the top of the evolutionary heap.

The aliens won't engage us until we have interstellar capability, and that will never happen without a proper and physical understanding of the universe.

Ditch current QM basis sets and 100 years of statistical curve-fitting and define what an electron and atom "really" are. Then we will see amazing new progress.
 
QM works for now. Strings, D and P Branes are a posteriori but are getting pretty good. Space quantization is pretty interesting. We are going to learn a ton with the new astronomical tools in the next 20 years. You said things are "real". That's interesting. Most of the universe is dark energy, followed by dark matter, then "matter". We are really struggling to comprehend the greatest components of the universe - would you say those things are "real"? Our history is the blink of an eye - be patient. We're doing great.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1sxOf_awuI

The Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics has derailed science and stifiled progress for far too long.

Physics is struggling. A new and physical based, actual theory is needed.

QM is bizarre, counter-intuitive, seems more like a religious cult.

Reality is not metaphysical, nor is it wave equations on paper that collapse when observed.

Reality is based on classical physics of Newton and Maxwell.

The moon is real, and existed far before humans ever "observed" it and caused a "wave function collapse".

Get real physics.

Solve what an electron really is. It isn't a statistical probability. We have much better equipment than 100 years ago. An electron is a real physical particle. Deal with it and move past your current choking paradigm.

Looking forward to some young up-start totally dis-orienting QM priests and helping advance physics and bringing back experiment and real science to the top of the evolutionary heap.

The aliens won't engage us until we have interstellar capability, and that will never happen without a proper and physical understanding of the universe.

Ditch current QM basis sets and 100 years of statistical curve-fitting and define what an electron and atom "really" are. Then we will see amazing new progress.

Derailed science and stifled progress? Hate to break it to you, but without QM and everything related to it, the computer you typed your post on wouldn't have been possible. Computers, smart phones, and just about any form of electronics using a semiconductor is only possible because QM works more or less as described.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/08/13/what-has-quantum-mechanics-ever-done-for-us/
 
Derailed science and stifled progress? Hate to break it to you, but without QM and everything related to it, the computer you typed your post on wouldn't have been possible. Computers, smart phones, and just about any form of electronics using a semiconductor is only possible because QM works more or less as described.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/08/13/what-has-quantum-mechanics-ever-done-for-us/

Indeed. And the thing is that even if QM is wrong, the explanation for what is going on has to be equally as weird, if not more so. Claims that it can all be explained through 'classical' physics generally seem to either be based on the principle that 'If I can't understand it, it can't be true' (see 'counter intuitive' in the first post), or on bizarre conspiracy theories about the entire scientific establishment being in the pay of the electric companies, some ethno-religious group or another, or shape-shifting lizards (see 'aliens'...).
 
I'm attempting a real life version of the famous 'Schrodinger's cat' experiment. For two weeks I have not opened the box and therefore the cat should be neither dead nor alive.
But judging by the smell...that kitty be dead.
 
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Schrödinger cooked up the cat-in-a-box thought experiment to highlight the absurdities of the Copenhagen Interpretation.

I'd suggest that the OP's criticism of the Copenhagen Interpretation is somewhat overblown - as others have stated, quantum mechanics just works. This means it must be doing something right as a description of the fundamental nature of reality. The Copenhagen Interpretation and the Many-Worlds interpretion are both rather more about metaphysics and ontology than they are about practical applications.
 
QM is bizarre, counter-intuitive, seems more like a religious cult.

Reality is not metaphysical, nor is it wave equations on paper that collapse when observed.

Reality is based on classical physics of Newton and Maxwell.

The moon is real, and existed far before humans ever "observed" it and caused a "wave function collapse".

Get real physics.

Sounds just an inch shy of "all I can see of the horizon is a flat line, hence the Earth is...."

Just shine a light on a surface through a couple of very tiny dots/slits, then let us know as soon as there is a "classical physics" equation that exhaustively explains what you get. But let us know eh, don't leave us waiting.
 
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QM works for now. Strings, D and P Branes are a posteriori but are getting pretty good. Space quantization is pretty interesting. We are going to learn a ton with the new astronomical tools in the next 20 years. You said things are "real". That's interesting. Most of the universe is dark energy, followed by dark matter, then "matter". We are really struggling to comprehend the greatest components of the universe - would you say those things are "real"? Our history is the blink of an eye - be patient. We're doing great.
Most astromers think dark matter is baryonic.

Dark Matter is Hydrogen. In a lower energy state. It is the most simple and common element.

There is no mystery, the universe works on physical laws. The issue is QM mysticism has derailed physics, i.e. study of physical interactions. With "real" physical particles. What is "not real", only what QM proposes, time-travelling, intelligent, FTL communicating electrons- give me a break, really? not likely.
 
Derailed science and stifled progress? Hate to break it to you, but without QM and everything related to it, the computer you typed your post on wouldn't have been possible. Computers, smart phones, and just about any form of electronics using a semiconductor is only possible because QM works more or less as described.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/08/13/what-has-quantum-mechanics-ever-done-for-us/
Not true, QM weirdness is postulated, because it is magic it can't be proven or disproven. The electron tunneling in circuits is explainable like the Fosbury Flop. My computer works with very real electrons that are not point-particle probability waves that don't manifest until measured--- if they were my computer would not work.

QM is not science, it is statistical math.

I'm attempting a real life version of the famous 'Schrodinger's cat' experiment. For two weeks I have not opened the box and therefore the cat should be neither dead nor alive.
But judging by the smell...that kitty be dead.
+42 for this commander. LOL.
 
Schrödinger cooked up the cat-in-a-box thought experiment to highlight the absurdities of the Copenhagen Interpretation.

I'd suggest that the OP's criticism of the Copenhagen Interpretation is somewhat overblown - as others have stated, quantum mechanics just works. This means it must be doing something right as a description of the fundamental nature of reality. The Copenhagen Interpretation and the Many-Worlds interpretion are both rather more about metaphysics and ontology than they are about practical applications.
QM fails at the most basic things, like anything more complex than hydrogen. It fails on predicting or calculating other basic fundamentals. it relies on mixed theoretical principles. QM "works" after 100 years of working out all the adjustable parameters to make specific results match experiment. What first principles and closed-form equations exist in QM---- none.

Schrödinger cooked up the cat-in-a-box thought experiment to highlight the absurdities of the Copenhagen Interpretation.

I'd suggest that the OP's criticism of the Copenhagen Interpretation is somewhat overblown - as others have stated, quantum mechanics just works. This means it must be doing something right as a description of the fundamental nature of reality. The Copenhagen Interpretation and the Many-Worlds interpretion are both rather more about metaphysics and ontology than they are about practical applications.
Agreed. But the popular press does not represent things that way.

QM stinks. Carver Mead, Penrose and others are all saying it.
 
If it were that easy, everyone would have a Nobel prize for physics. But it's not.
Science is not easy.
But it is logical and fact based.
Experiment always trumps theory and math on paper.
Many recent experiments contradict long-standing QM mystical junk.
The double-slit experiment is central to QM mysticism. It can be explained by electron and photon field interaction with the metallic material comprising the slits. Great analogy is "Pilot Waves" which clearly show physical particles creating the same double-slit interference patterns that the classical double slit experiment shows.
 
Sounds just an inch shy of "all I can see of the horizon is a flat line, hence the Earth is...."

Just shine a light on a surface through a couple of very tiny dots/slits, then let us know as soon as there is a "classical physics" equation that exhaustively explains what you get. But let us know eh, don't leave us waiting.
I'm not a flat-earther, that is ridiculous.
Are you referring to the double-slit experiment?
Don't be obsequious!
 
QM has been heavily abused by so called philosophers and it is often misrepresented in the media and frankly you too are mixing up metaphysical interpretations of QM (which is fancy speak for "I think or that is true but I have no proof whatsoever") and actual experiment based science. If you think QM doesn't work then prove it or come up with a better theory. That's how science works. Fact is that QM is one of the best tested scientific theories we have.
If you disagree with the metaphysical interpretation that is fine but try to keep things separate.

Additionally, the word "observe" in the QM context means any kind of interaction (most importantly getting hit by adequate EM radiation). In your initial post you're using it in the meaning of "to passively look at something" which has nothing to do with what QM is about and frankly makes me doubt any kind of scientific background you might have.
 
I'm not a flat-earther, that is ridiculous.
Forgive me, I've been drinking some nice wine tonight. I don't frequent my own posts very often so whatever of this....

Are you referring to the double-slit experiment?

Don't be obsequious!


  • Electrons are real
  • Electrons occupy space
  • Electrons are not mathematical probabilities
  • Electrons are not point particle probability waves
  • Electrons do not exist everywhere and nowhere until measured
  • Electrons cannot divide or travel through multiple slits simultaneously
  • These idears are absurd and not proven by the well-known 2x slit xperiment- the explanation is magical and is not proven beyond a doubt, it is just an explanation chosen to be accepted or not, 'the best explanation at the moment given what we know" and we know a lot more now than 100 yrs ago
  • An electron travels through one slit and strikes a detector
  • After millions of electrons a diffraction pattern arises
  • patterns are not due to mysteriously going through 2 slits simultaneously
  • QM explain is non-physical
  • QM claim is contrary to observation that particles like electrons are real > see any STM, EFM images = those are not imaginary, whatever statistical analysis says
  • the central error of QM is confusing probability with reality; my hair dryer works using very real electrons that no-one has ever measured. Similarly the moon existed long before humans or even animals ever witnessed or measured it. Measurement cannot occur on something that does not exist, it does not cause it to exist
  • Note, > Charged particles (electrons) induce image currents on conducting slits used in the classic 2x xperiment. These emit radiation. conducting material must be used, yet this type of potential interaction is never discussed in typical explanations
  • Diffraction patterns by electron field interactions with slit materials and momentum effect


Note that diffraction patterns are created by single fluid particles propelled by pilot waves in well known experiments.

Therefore, an acceptable explanation of the classic experiment is a physical phenomena and not magic

Incredible claims require incredible evidence. QM fails to provide compelling evidence that the moon does not exist when I am not looking. I have read the full length of many peer reviewed physics papers claiming amazing things like particles travelling in 2 directions at once. What is clear if you read the entirety of these is that the explanation is wholly based in accepted QM weirdness, period. The results are interpreted through a specific lens to be sure that funding continues whether the effect is really understood or not. To me this is not solid proof but requires acceptance of the proposed current paradigm in which to frame one's thoughts.

politica and money are great influencers in science, not to mention human nature (see Semmelweis, for example). Thus hot-fusion has gotten billions in tax dollars and research grants but hasn't produced squat in 60 years. Fission in contrast was super-fast to productivity. What does this tell us? Fusion is a low-density power source (check size of stars). We might, maybe, very low chance be able to get more energy from a fusion reaction than we input, but it is a very long shot, not to mention contamination dangers of the holding vessels. After 60 years of research this should be obvious but we keep pumping cash into it because of the hot fusion priesthood that simply wants to preserve it's existence and research (and indeed I think it is cool, and support vast use of public funds for all types of science). This was the impetus for MIT and others to shut down the cold fusion discussion which I think it is proven they did in a somewhat nefarious way due to the ghreat to their funding model and careers. Note that I do not think cold-fusion is really a thing, but the chemical events studied were definitely real and on-going CF research shows many accept this. What LENR or Cold Fusion laci is a sound theoretical framework to drive further undertanding and research.

There are also other recent experiments which "aren't explainable with current theory" like the safire experiments: http://www.safireproject.com/ewExternalFiles/SAFIRE-Project-Report.pdf

When you play pool you are not dealing with wave functions but physical pool balls that interact in predicatble ways. Why would atoms behave any differently? Hint, they wouldn't and dont. Why would you belive they do? What would make one believe in magic quantum foam that makes things appear and disappear from nothing when it absolutely never aligns with our daily experience. this is classic religion.

blah, blah, blah. I've had too much Zin tonight. But I think it is time for physics to actively, constructively and with funding, investigate a physical solution to what an electron is, what electro-magnetic principles govern it, how can we model it as a real particle and stop pretending it is everywhere an no-where at once and that statistical probability equations with many adjustable parameters are as acceptable as Newton's or Maxwell's equations and dealing with reality as real. run-on sentence- sorry.

Amazing claims (like many worlds and strings) require amazing evidence. That evidence does not exist. many worlds theory cannot be dis-proven. Occam's razor says Schrodinger's cat is eiter dead or alive but not both- opening the box doesn't determine the cat's fate- it just allows us to witness it.

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