Then we will have to agree to disagree, then. I personally see it as a problem with players, not this game’s social filters, and forcing your player base to be content for others, especially those who won’t return the favor, is a recipe for a dead game.
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Then we will have to agree to disagree, then. I personally see it as a problem with players, not this game’s social filters, and forcing your player base to be content for others, especially those who won’t return the favor, is a recipe for a dead game.
What I fail to understand is how you can't see that solo isn't nor has it ever been a problem nor has it ever hurt the game play in Open or elsewhere. What has hurt the game play of Open is the actions of those who play in Open.
You talk about the absolute refusal of many "soloists" to even consider the options presented... what about the proven absolute refusal of some in Open to leave others well enough alone...even to the point of sneaking into PG's to PVP them? If someone bought the game because they loved the original and wanted to play it like the original.. why do you care? If someone loves the game but their net sucks so they struggle with other commanders nearby and play in Solo... why do you care?
Why are so many vocal "Open Only" people so damn determined to force people in other mods into Open? Having everyone forced into Open isn't going to create some strong knit community kum ba yah. You will be doing what Eve tried to do force everyone to PVP. Heck you have people in Eve complaining about people hanging out in "high sec" just the same as you and others complain about people in Elite playing in other modes. You know why they complain though... because they can't shoot them... or at least easily.. they have found ways to circumvent that and cost Eve many plays (myself included).
Some point to an "Open Only" mode as a "true" multi-player game... horse hockey... if that were true then MMOs like WOW, SWTOR, and others would only have one server... they don't they give people a choice. Ultima Online started with one world, but Pkers made it so miserable, especially for new players that they came up with the idea that the world was trapped in a gem and it was shattered creating "shards" aka servers. Even with Elite Dangerous it is the PKers within the PVP community that seem to drive the direction of where people go... so if FDev bowed to you and others and made Elite Open only.. you will see where others go... to different games.
And for your information I play with others.. it is called a PG. I just don't have to deal with PVP or seal clubbers.
And I believe players hurt the open universe.
With attitudes where they kill new players not worth anything for no reason, then when questioned why they tell people to get out of open if they don't want to be random cannon fodder - what do people think will happen?
This has nothing to do with "fear" of any type. This is a "COMPUTER GAME" for people play to enjoy.
Getting killed for no in game reason, but rather for some random eejits out of game jollies isn't fun for most people and not why folks game.
And if it's not fun for the "victim" and there isn't an in game reason to be shot at, then they won't play with those people.
So I'll say it again, the problem with open, is some of the players in it.
Funny thing, I've played all day in Mobius during my whirlwind engineering run around the bubble, a trip which has taken me to over 8 different engineers and also to Jameson's Memorial, and there was hardly anybody out there playing in Mobius. The only place I saw anybody, literally, was two CMDR's at Jameson's. I just switched over to Open and immediately my contacts list is swarming with players.
I'm not buying the "Mobius is thriving while Open is dying" line some of you guys are pushing on your private group advertising campaigns.
I'm not buying the "Mobius is thriving while Open is dying" line some of you guys are pushing on your private group advertising campaigns.
The US version I've been in for nearly 2 years, whenever they originally created a new group. And before you go "Aha! That must be it!" I'll just point out that they're all supposed to be swollen to the point of bursting with players eager to avoid the evils of Open. If you believe Mobian press releases and propaganda efforts here on the forum, that is.
Lol. Anecdotes and a single pass through a Mobius group and you've uncovered the plot. Awesome, you've singlehandedly saved open.
Biased on multiple replies to this threat answers a question i've asked myself
"Where are all the players in open?"
Its rare that i run into another player in open, and if i do its mostly a friendly o7 exchange and we part ways.
My opinion regarding C&P appears on paper to target the gankers, murderhobos, or whatever everyone is calling them.
Creating stacking bounty problems on the CMDR causing trouble. not fixing the issue but making it more and more annoying for them to freely continue mindless killing.
Looking forward to the engineer change to try out some of those special effects for modules that before cost rep to obtain.
The 3.0 changes can so far appear to only aid in playing Open, but will effect any game state we play in. But i doubt it will have much impact on players decision on which game mode they choose to play in.
My play style is not bound to just one type of game loop, i get boarded quickly so i have multiple ships with different roles, exploration to piracy and i just pick what i feel like doing that day, but always in Open for that chance of unique player interaction i would never see in Solo.
"Where are all the players in open?"
Its rare that i run into another player in open, and if i do its mostly a friendly o7 exchange and we part ways.
My opinion regarding C&P appears on paper to target the gankers, murderhobos, or whatever everyone is calling them.
Creating stacking bounty problems on the CMDR causing trouble. not fixing the issue but making it more and more annoying for them to freely continue mindless killing.
Looking forward to the engineer change to try out some of those special effects for modules that before cost rep to obtain.
The 3.0 changes can so far appear to only aid in playing Open, but will effect any game state we play in. But i doubt it will have much impact on players decision on which game mode they choose to play in.
My play style is not bound to just one type of game loop, i get boarded quickly so i have multiple ships with different roles, exploration to piracy and i just pick what i feel like doing that day, but always in Open for that chance of unique player interaction i would never see in Solo.
The "plot" has been well known for a long time, I don't need to uncover anything. And, unlike Jockey's constant spamming on this thread about dwindling Open numbers (which I assume you're down with, confirmation bias being what it is and all), my "anecdotal" evidence was at the very least factual, because I just spent the last ten hours flying in Mobius visiting one player hotspot after another, unlike you lot who know so much about everything that you don't actually try or engage in, but love to expound on at length on the forum giving the impression you know what you're talking about.
Your experience is just as useful as those who claim open is only a gank-fest. It is simply hysterical that you offer an exact mirror image to the notion you rail against. Laughable in the extreme.
P.S. I spent a year in a Player Group, playing mostly in open. Because that was that groups preference, and I honored that. I'm willing to assert I know more about playing in open, than you do about playing in a Mobius group.
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Mobian Press releases and Propaganda efforts....really? Sometimes I go into Mobius and I see people, sometimes I go and I am alone.... you know I've head people talk about another mo.. oh yea Open. People have flown about Open and not seen anyone before. Plus the swollen to bursting issue is that PG's get unstable and have issues around 20k people in them. So they are split up and there are 4, equating to over 60k players, including yourself, in a Mobius PG.
Swollen almost to bursting also doesn't equate to everyone on.
In my day of playing it barely equated to "anyone" being on
Look, the only reason I bothered mentioning it was because a number of Jockey's posts about Open dying (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist) off went unchallenged, and I just thought it was pretty ironic given my own experiences.
In my day of playing it barely equated to "anyone" being on
Look, the only reason I bothered mentioning it was because a number of Jockey's posts about Open dying (I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist) off went unchallenged, and I just thought it was pretty ironic given my own experiences.
While Jockey has said it, the most time's I've heard it was from people, mainly in SOG, who were promoting "Open Only" . I personally don't want Open to die, but I do want Open to leave the rest of us the heck alone. We all influence the BGS... yet for some reason it is people from Open who think they are special and "more tough" or some other nonsense and want to change the game to benefit them and screw everyone else over.
Being able to influence the same BGS from multiple modes is the essence of unfair. I personally don't care, but I call a spade a spade when I see one.
Equal access is absolutely fair. Everyone has the exact same ability to the BGS. Nothing could be fairer.
Agreed. I've yet to see a compelling argument as to how anyone has an "unfair advantage" given that all are able to influence the BGS from any mode.
On the flipside... if we'd like to talk about "unfairness" we can talk about MC, Squadrons, Wings and all sorts of other goodies available to those who multipew versus what Solo gets...
Then we can also speak of how PvP players have "advantage" over PvE players in Open- simply because they can fire at will on anyone...
Or, we can allow others to play their game as they see fit and stop whinging on the forums about how "unfair" everything is.
The only "spade" are those who think it is unfair. As Mohrgan said, "Equal access is absolutely fair." I think it is funny that people whine about access to the BGS as being unfair from multiple modes, even when everyone has access to all the modes, yet apparently seem to think it is completely fair for unarmed traders to be blown to smithereens in open by overly engineered ships. That is "fair" and the response is " you chose Open", yet the BGS access is deemed "unfair"? Well my answer to that. You chose Elite Dangerous, which had the mode system with all access to the BGS since kickstart.
Fair in the sense that everyone who's interested gets a participation trophy.