Hardware & Technical Frame drops and jitter/ poor performance in VR

[faceindisguise]

Hello,

I been playing ED for a year now. My original PC had specs of a gtx 1070, skylake i5 and 16 gigs ram. This ran the game in vr just fine. I sold that PC for a car. I have a new PC that has a 1060 3gig, coffeelake i3 (4 cores) and 8 gigs of ram. I am using the rift. I am getting serious frame drops and jitter in stations and sometimes game crashes. When out of the station the game runs fine. I am using edprofiler and I have dropped settings down very low with no improvement. after searching online the responses I am seeing are that with my current specs, the game should run ok at least. I am running out of options to try to get this right so I am posting here. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
CMDR faceindisguise

 

[Patrick_68000]

I am not a connoisseur of VR

But it seems that the GTX 1060 can play in VR with the average settings

Perhaps your CPU is not enough powerful, or not enough of RAM ?

 

[MickyG1982]

I am not a connoisseur of VR

But it seems that the GTX 1060 can play in VR with the average settings

Perhaps your CPU is not enough powerful, or not enough of RAM ?

I'd actually say it's more likely the 3Gb 1060 that is letting him down here but the i3 will not be helping either. It's a lot of pixels for both to push, especially near planets & stations.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Hello,

I been playing ED for a year now. My original PC had specs of a gtx 1070, skylake i5 and 16 gigs ram. This ran the game in vr just fine. I sold that PC for a car. I have a new PC that has a 1060 3gig, coffeelake i3 (4 cores) and 8 gigs of ram. I am using the rift. I am getting serious frame drops and jitter in stations and sometimes game crashes. When out of the station the game runs fine. I am using edprofiler and I have dropped settings down very low with no improvement. after searching online the responses I am seeing are that with my current specs, the game should run ok at least. I am running out of options to try to get this right so I am posting here. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
CMDR faceindisguise

At a guess I would say the the 1060 with 3gigs of ram is probably not strong enough. The 8 gigs of ram may not be enough and the coffee lake i3 may be suffereing a bit too depending on which one you have.

Basically all three are a bit underpar for VR.

 

[Halikus]

I had very similar issues when I upgraded to a GTX1080, I was previously running an i5-4xxxk chip GTX970 8Gb of ram and in belts and stations it would drop to 60 and sometimes lower. For me this was fixed by upgrading the CPU as it seems elite offloads a lot of the physics of objects to the CPU went i5-4xxxk to an i7-7700k and all that was solved.

Its easy to check out, just get the game to a place where the issue is present and have a look at your cpu usage, if its really high then theres a good chance that is the issue.

 

[CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE]

I have a new PC that has a 1060 3gig, coffeelake i3 (4 cores) and 8 gigs of ram. I am using the rift. I am getting serious frame drops and jitter in stations and sometimes game crashes. When out of the station the game runs fine. I am using edprofiler and I have dropped settings down very low with no improvement. after searching online the responses I am seeing are that with my current specs, the game should run ok at least. I am running out of options to try to get this right so I am posting here.

Has it been like this since you started playing ED on this PC or was it ok once? Do you get any crashes when you play in 2D? Are you monitoring GPU and CPU temps? This is what I would try in the following order:
- make sure Windows/Xbox gaming features are turned off (esp. DVR)
- disable as many non-MS utilities/background processes as possible (esp. any graphics overclocking or system monitoring utilities)
- try at least 3 different nvidia drivers (yes, at least 3 because some are absolute pants especially with VR). 388.59 seems to be ok for a lot of people and is actually the one that Oculus recommends for use with Core 2.0 beta/Dash
- seeing as you are getting crashes: although I don't like recommending it in every case, I would consider using DDU to remove the existing driver in this case, but before you do that just uninstall it and then do a clean install of a new driver version
- try uninstalling both Oculus and ED
- if all that fails then do a Windows 'Fresh Start' or a 'Reset This PC' (this actually fixed jitters for me as well as another guy a couple of days ago)
- I'm afraid after all that then it might just be that your PC is struggling, soz

 

[faceindisguise]

I have done most of what you recommend here. I used DDU to revert to 388.00 to try out. I only max out my cpu, gpu in stations when looking at the data. Overclocking doesn't help much. I have uninstalled ED but not oculus. I have not done a windows reset. I am going to keep trying but I think that if things don't work out, I will get a GPU upgrade next week. Also, this is a new build. My old one was powered by a 1070 with a skylake i5 that has the same power as my coffeelake i3-8100 that I am running now and it ran the game in vr no problem. Upgrading to another 8 gig stick of ram is not a problem (when it comes back into stock). I figured to go with a 1060 as I am thinking when volta cards come out, I am going to upgrade then and give the 1060 to a friend. I figured the 1060 would be fine. Now I am mad at myself.

The funny thing is there are some that are having similar issues with even a 1080 card. So, that is why I am hesitant to pull the trigger on getting a 1080 till next week. I am wondering if that won't even help things.

 

[faceindisguise]

I had very similar issues when I upgraded to a GTX1080, I was previously running an i5-4xxxk chip GTX970 8Gb of ram and in belts and stations it would drop to 60 and sometimes lower. For me this was fixed by upgrading the CPU as it seems elite offloads a lot of the physics of objects to the CPU went i5-4xxxk to an i7-7700k and all that was solved.

Its easy to check out, just get the game to a place where the issue is present and have a look at your cpu usage, if its really high then theres a good chance that is the issue.

Both the GPU and CPU are maxed out at stations. This CPU has the same power as my old i5 and I had no issues though. I ran a 1070 that is the only difference. I would prefer to upgrade the CPU to a coffeelake i7 if that would solve the issues. I am just running the 1060 until the volta cards come out then I give it to a friend. If I knew for certain that just the CPU upgrade (and ram) would work, then I would do that today.

 

[Shadowdancer]

A 4 core/4 thread CPU is really the bottom end and will frequently run into limits for this game. IME a CPU capable of juggling 8 threads with good efficiency is the minimum if you want to do anything "enthusiast".

 

[faceindisguise]

So, what would be the opinion here? Upgrade the GPU or the CPU? If just the CPU upgrade would work, then I would like to do just that.

Also, I bought a 180ti on ebay for 77.53. Likely a scam so I will probably get my money back.

 

[faceindisguise]

Has it been like this since you started playing ED on this PC or was it ok once? Do you get any crashes when you play in 2D? Are you monitoring GPU and CPU temps? This is what I would try in the following order:
- make sure Windows/Xbox gaming features are turned off (esp. DVR)
- disable as many non-MS utilities/background processes as possible (esp. any graphics overclocking or system monitoring utilities)
- try at least 3 different nvidia drivers (yes, at least 3 because some are absolute pants especially with VR). 388.59 seems to be ok for a lot of people and is actually the one that Oculus recommends for use with Core 2.0 beta/Dash
- seeing as you are getting crashes: although I don't like recommending it in every case, I would consider using DDU to remove the existing driver in this case, but before you do that just uninstall it and then do a clean install of a new driver version
- try uninstalling both Oculus and ED
- if all that fails then do a Windows 'Fresh Start' or a 'Reset This PC' (this actually fixed jitters for me as well as another guy a couple of days ago)
- I'm afraid after all that then it might just be that your PC is struggling, soz

I have done many of the things suggested here. I have rolled back the driver with DDU to 388.00. Reinstalled ED but not oculus. And I have used afterburner to OC and not at all. I have not done a PC reset but that seems to be a little much. Afterburner tells me that in stations my CPU and GPU get up to 99%. Not sure what is best to upgrade here. The GPU or CPU. Even though people are experiencing the same issues with a 1080.

 

[MickyG1982]

So, what would be the opinion here? Upgrade the GPU or the CPU? If just the CPU upgrade would work, then I would like to do just that.

Also, I bought a 180ti on ebay for 77.53. Likely a scam so I will probably get my money back.

Both, and it's definitely a scam...

 

[znôrt]

after searching online the responses I am seeing are that with my current specs, the game should run ok at least

i don't think so. your cpu and ram are below min reqs for vr:

https://support.frontier.co.uk/kb/faq.php?id=227 (flat)
https://support.frontier.co.uk/kb/faq.php?id=253 (vr)

even for monitor, your cpu is barely at the bottom, your ram is below.

now, min reqs are probably conservative. people have reported to play the game ok with lower specs (dunno in 3.0, though). however, for a smooth experience in vr you definitely need some more gear. if you get away with just some stuttering in stations that's already quite good. i wouldn't recommend an i3 for any gaming except really simple titles or old game nostalgia.

the crashes could be another issue. might be memory related? you might want to investigate those, maybe report and send a dump and logs to support.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

So, what would be the opinion here? Upgrade the GPU or the CPU? If just the CPU upgrade would work, then I would like to do just that.

Also, I bought a 180ti on ebay for 77.53. Likely a scam so I will probably get my money back.

That is a scam. But I would say that a new CPU and GPU with more ram is probably for the best. Basically a brand new system.

Personally I am waiting for the updated ryzen chips in April to come out and will go with that.

 

[faceindisguise]

I have a choice right now. Either a new CPU (i7-8700) or a new GPU (1080). What would be the best performance increase?

(the RAM i need is out of stack and has been for a while, once it's back in stock somewhere, I can get another 8 gigs)

 

[Caramel Clown]

3Gb of frame buffer for VR sounds too low IMO.

 

[faceindisguise]

I have a choice right now. Either a new CPU (i7-8700) or a new GPU (1080). What would be the best performance increase?

(the RAM i need is out of stack and has been for a while, once it's back in stock somewhere, I can get another 8 gigs)

Also, I think there is some confusion about my current processor here. It is an i3-8100 that is a 4 core 3.6ghz. It is not a 2 core processor like previous generations.

 

[Caramel Clown]

In this case i'd probably go with CPU. 8100 has only 4 threads, which is these days should be considered borderline minimum for gaming. Especially VR. Maybe get CPU to futureproof your system a bit, and look for new graphics card in a few months time. We might hear some news from Nvidia about their new line of cards by then.

 

[dape]

I disagree. from 6600k to 7700k not much difference.
from 980 to 1080ti lots of improvement.

So I would get a 1080 if you find one at a reasonable price.

 

[Caramel Clown]

I disagree. from 6600k to 7700k not much difference.
from 980 to 1080ti lots of improvement.

So I would get a 1080 if you find one at a reasonable price.

CPUs stay relevant for longer. Fact. Getting a good CPU is a decent future investment. Unless you've bought 7700k, and Intel have released 8700k shortly after They didn't have the best business practices last year to be honest...