General / Off-Topic Fusion Power - a bright SPARC in the near future?

An article in the Guardian (UK Newspaper) today about MIT and the private company Commonwealth Fusion Systems saying they aim to have commercially-viable nuclear fusion supplying carbon-free power to the grid within 15 years utilizing new high-temperature superconductors. Their experimental version (SPARC) is going to be a lot smaller than the current experiment being constructed in France.


https://www.theguardian.com/environ...on-brink-of-being-realised-say-mit-scientists


Here's hoping. :)
 
Here's hoping. :)

Agreed.

mr-fusion.jpg
 
Fusion has been 50 years away every year for about the last 50 years.

It is not happening anytime soon and probably not within the next 50 years either. I don't want to be cynical but it is hard to be anything other than that when it comes to fusion technology.

Someone will crack it eventually but I'd save being excited about it for when it actually happens. [where is it]
 
It's great that fusion research is still going, and not all hopes are pinned on the monster that is ITER :eek:, but I must say I'm quite surprised this is the first genuine attempt at using modern superconductors in a tokamak... something tells me this will give similar results to other magnetic confinement methods. The problem isn't so much the size and strength of the magnetic field, it's the fact that plasma at those temperatures simply finds a way out.

Basically this looks like it's just miniaturization of what we've already got.

A different one that I think may be the closest to commercial viability: General Fusion
It sidesteps the issue of magnetic confinement entirely, and was a concept from the 70s that only failed because they couldn't get the high precision timing right. Enter today's microcontrollers with high resolution timing precision, and serve in 5 years :D

I may be biased, since it's a Canadian project, but here's hoping!
 
It's great that fusion research is still going, and not all hopes are pinned on the monster that is ITER :eek:, but I must say I'm quite surprised this is the first genuine attempt at using modern superconductors in a tokamak... something tells me this will give similar results to other magnetic confinement methods. The problem isn't so much the size and strength of the magnetic field, it's the fact that plasma at those temperatures simply finds a way out.

Basically this looks like it's just miniaturization of what we've already got.

A different one that I think may be the closest to commercial viability: General Fusion
It sidesteps the issue of magnetic confinement entirely, and was a concept from the 70s that only failed because they couldn't get the high precision timing right. Enter today's microcontrollers with high resolution timing precision, and serve in 5 years :D

I may be biased, since it's a Canadian project, but here's hoping!

It will probably be a bonkers approach like that, that solves it. CANDU reactor technology is a properly unique way of doing Fission.
 
I want fusion powered spacecraft engines to take us to the asteroid belt and outer solar system (as in us humans, not unmanned probes).

Fusion-powered rockets that are only the size of a few refrigerators could one day help propel spacecraft at high speeds to nearby planets or even other stars, a NASA-funded spaceflight company says.


Another use for such fusion rockets is to deflect asteroids that might strike Earth and to build manned bases on the moon and Mars, the researchers say.


Rockets fly by hurling materials known as propellants away from them. Conventional rockets that rely on chemical reactions are not very efficient when it comes to how much thrust they generate, given the amount of propellant they carry, which has led rocket scientists to explore a variety of alternatives over the years.


An option now used in spacecraft is the ion drive, which generates thrust by using electricity to accelerate electrically charged ion propellants. Ion drives are far more efficient than chemical rockets, but are limited by the amount of electricity they can harvest via solar panels or generate using radioactive materials.


Instead of chemical rockets or ion drives, scientists have also suggested using fusion rockets propelled by the same nuclear reactions that power stars. These rockets would not only be efficient, but also generate vast amounts of electricity.


However, so far, no one has built a fusion reactor that generates more energy than it consumes. Moreover, the fusion reactors that are under development are huge, making them difficult to hoist into space.


But now, researchers funded by NASA are developing small fusion rockets.


"It's technology that enables really interesting robotic and human missions to Mars and Pluto, and it is also potentially a way of getting into interstellar space," said Michael Paluszek, president of Princeton Satellite Systems in Plainsboro, New Jersey.


The large fusion reactors under development today, such as the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER), usually strive to generate hundreds of megawatts of power. In contrast, Paluszek and his colleagues at Princeton Satellite Systems are designing reactors meant to produce only a dozen megawatts or so. This humbler goal results in a smaller, lighter reactor that is easier to build and launch into space "for practical robotic and human missions," Paluszek said.


In addition, these small fusion reactors are much cheaper than larger devices. Paluszek noted that, whereas modern fusion experiments might cost $20 billion, a prototype fusion rocket the researchers plan to develop should cost just $20 million. So far, they have received three NASA grants to fund the project, he said.


The aim for the fusion drives is to get about 1 kilowatt of power per 2.2 lbs. (1 kilogram) of mass. A 10-megawatt fusion rocket would therefore weigh about 11 tons (10 metric tons).


"It would probably be 1.5 meters [4.9 feet] in diameter and 4 to 8 meters [13 to 26 feet] long," Paluszek said.


Nuclear fusion requires extremely high temperatures and pressures to force atoms to fuse, a process that converts some of the mass of the atoms into energy. The fusion reactors that Princeton Satellite Systems is developing uses low-frequency radio waves to heat a mix of deuterium and helium-3, and magnetic fields to confine the resulting plasma in a ring. (Deuterium is made of hydrogen atoms that each have an extra neutron; helium-3 is made of helium atoms, each of which is missing a neutron; and plasma is the state of matter found in stars, lightning bolts and neon lights.)


As this plasma rotates in a ring, some of it can spiral out and get directed from the fusion rocket's nozzle for thrust. "We can get very high exhaust velocities of up to about 25,000 kilometers per second [55.9 million mph]," Paluszek said.


The large amounts of thrust this fusion rocket may deliver compared to its mass could enable very fast spacecraft. For instance, whereas round-trip crewed missions to Mars are estimated to take more than two years using current technology, the researchers estimated that six 5-megawatt fusion rockets could accomplish such missions in 310 days. This extra speed would reduce the risks of radiation that astronauts might experience from the sun or deep space, as well as dramatically cut the amount of food, water and other supplies they would need to bring with them.


In addition, the fusion reactors could also help generate ample electricity for scientific instruments and communications devices. For instance, whereas NASA's New Horizons mission took more than nine years to get to Pluto and had little more than 200 watts of power to work with once it arrived, broadcasting about 1,000 bits of data back per second, a 1-megawatt fusion rocket could get a robotic mission to Pluto in four years, supply 500 kilowatts of power and broadcast more than 1 million bits of data back per second, Paluszek said. Such a mission could also carry a lander to Pluto and power it by beaming down energy, he added.


"With the amount of power fusion rockets can provide, you can think of science that can't be done now with other technologies, such as powering a lander to drill through the ice on Jupiter's moon Europa," Paluszek said.



A 10-megawatt fusion rocket could also deflect an asteroid about 525 feet (160 m) in diameter coming at Earth, spending about 200 days to travel there and 23 days nudging it off course, Paluszek said. Fusion rockets could even enable an interstellar voyage to the nearest star system, Alpha Centauri, although the trip might take 500 to 700 years, he said. (Alpha Centauri lies about 4.3 light-years from the sun.)


Previous research suggested this kind of fusion rocket in the 1960s, but the designs proposed for them would not stably confine the plasmas, Paluszek said. About 10 years ago, reactor designer Sam Cohen figured out a magnetic-field design "that could make stable plasmas," Paluszek explained.


One drawback of the kind of nuclear reactor that Princeton Satellite Systems is developing is that radio waves do not penetrate deeply into plasma. "We're limited to something like 1 meter [3.3 feet] in diameter," Paluszek said. To generate large amounts of power with this strategy, the researchers have to rely on multiple reactors.


Another pitfall is that, while this fusion reactor generates less deadly neutron radiation than most fusion reactors under development, it still does produce some neutrons, as well as X-rays. "Radiation shielding is key," Paluszek said.


In addition, helium-3 is rare on Earth. Still, it is possible to generate helium-3 using nuclear reactors, Paluszek said.


Princeton Satellite Systems is not alone in pursuing small fusion reactors. For instance, Paluszek noted that Helion Energy in Redmond, Washington, also intends to fuse deuterium and helium-3, while Tri Alpha Energy in Foothill Ranch, California, aims to fuse boron and protons.


"Fusion can enable new and exciting science missions that are too expensive and difficult to do with today's technology," Paluszek said.


The researchers have not yet demonstrated fusion with their device, but aim to do so by 2019 to 2020. Paluszek detailed his company's research June 3 at The Dawn of Private Space Science Symposium in New York.


Editor's Note: A previous version of this article stated that each fusion reactor could be up to 10 meters (33 feet) in diameter, and that a 1-megawatt reactor could supply 2 milllion watts of electric power. The actual maximum diameter is about 1 meter (3.3 feet), and a 1-MW reactor could provide 500 kilowatts.

https://www.space.com/37146-nuclear-fusion-rockets-interstellar-spaceflight.html
 
Last edited:
It was 'within 20 years' in the 70s. It just means 'dont expect concrete results the next few grants..."

Fusion has been 50 years away every year for about the last 50 years.

It is not happening anytime soon and probably not within the next 50 years either. I don't want to be cynical but it is hard to be anything other than that when it comes to fusion technology.

Someone will crack it eventually but I'd save being excited about it for when it actually happens. [where is it]

To quote from the article:

'Bob Mumgaard, CEO of the private company Commonwealth Fusion Systems, which has attracted $50 million in support of this effort from the Italian energy company Eni, said: “The aspiration is to have a working power plant in time to combat climate change. We think we have the science, speed and scale to put carbon-free fusion power on the grid in 15 years.”'

and...

'The just-over-the-horizon timeframe normally cited is 30 years, but the MIT team believe they can halve this by using new superconducting materials to produce ultra-powerful magnets, one of the main components of a fusion reactor. Prof Howard Wilson, a plasma physicist at York University who works on different fusion projects, said: “The exciting part of this is the high-field magnets.”'
 
To quote from the article:

'Bob Mumgaard, CEO of the private company Commonwealth Fusion Systems, which has attracted $50 million in support of this effort from the Italian energy company Eni, said: “The aspiration is to have a working power plant in time to combat climate change. We think we have the science, speed and scale to put carbon-free fusion power on the grid in 15 years.”'

and...

'The just-over-the-horizon timeframe normally cited is 30 years, but the MIT team believe they can halve this by using new superconducting materials to produce ultra-powerful magnets, one of the main components of a fusion reactor. Prof Howard Wilson, a plasma physicist at York University who works on different fusion projects, said: “The exciting part of this is the high-field magnets.”'

Wait and see, according to the adage

:)
 
To quote from the article:

'Bob Mumgaard, CEO of the private company Commonwealth Fusion Systems, which has attracted $50 million in support of this effort from the Italian energy company Eni, said: “The aspiration is to have a working power plant in time to combat climate change. We think we have the science, speed and scale to put carbon-free fusion power on the grid in 15 years.”'

and...

'The just-over-the-horizon timeframe normally cited is 30 years, but the MIT team believe they can halve this by using new superconducting materials to produce ultra-powerful magnets, one of the main components of a fusion reactor. Prof Howard Wilson, a plasma physicist at York University who works on different fusion projects, said: “The exciting part of this is the high-field magnets.”'

I hope it is very successful don't get me wrong; I just don't expect it to work. Every so often a bunch of boffins come up with some new and exciting way of achieving controlled fusion but it never works (where you get more energy out than you put in). I don't actually expect ITER to work and that has billions of pounds behind it. I'm all for them trying but if they thought it would work for sure, then they would be building more than one.

Hopefully I will be proven to be a hopeless pessimist :)
 
General fusions systems is more feasible imo, it doesn't use superconducting magnets, or a tokomak design, just plain old pistons to compressed a metal with plasma in it:
[video=youtube;k3zcmPmW6dE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3zcmPmW6dE&t=6s[/video]
 
Back
Top Bottom