The Star Citizen Thread v8

[Tippis]

What can CIG threaten people with though "we won't let you see our latest build that wasn't completed on time for your review" doesn't really cut the mustard.

I think the media steer clear of putting the boot into SC because they've seen what the fanbase is like, why deal with all that toxic drama when the only people you could save with a frank story are the ones who will be angriest at you. Everyone else already knows it's over.

Yeah, I can readily imagine a stern letter from EA or Blizztivision or Squeenix threatening to cut off access (and ad funding) having a chilling effect. CIG? Not so much. If anything, that would just generate a ton of “unproven studio out of control attempts mafia methods to stifle criticism! (also, have you heard about the org.crime connections of their previous business?)” stories, amplifying the effect they were trying to subdue. Doubly so since we already know that CIG doesn't really have any ad dollars to retract — they use that funding to buy astroturfing services from online reputation management companies (hence the string of “SC is great” stories that appeared on no-name sites a year or two back, sites that mysteriously had no other content and didn't really post anything else after that).

The community hassle seems a far more reasonable explanation, since its composition and tendency to fall back on death threats and harassment at the drop of a hat is pretty well established by now.

 

[VR Mr Teatime]

It's just the perfectly normal 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' syndrome.

A long time ago a well known motoring magazine wrote a scathing review of a new car. Having sight of the review prior to publication the large and well known manufacturer threatened to remove all advertising from the magazine and never again provide their cars for review, unless the review was either spiked or rewritten to be favourable.

And that's how the real world works.

Indeed I would agree, there is the normality of mutual gain going on, but it appears that some these relationships go beyond "normal" and there are a number of recent noticeable recent trends occurring amongst other data points.

One is, we are now (post Crytek filing) seeing some outlets are now caveating their articles with their involvement/backing, but of course failing to state the extent of that backing (I wonder how many of the whales are from the gaming media).

Another is that many media outlets, which were running regular articles, or re-broadcasting other articles (with permission of course) no longer appear to be doing so. Why is that I wonder?

Then there are earlier curiosities, such as articles where the reported experience bears no relation to the reality of the game released some weeks or months after that article's publication. Most of those articles also seem to have been accompanied with concept art and questionable screenshots.

 

[Asp Explorer]

You just don't understand propagating the Vision.

CIG don't have a game after all this money and time spent - so they pretend they do Look at all these pretty videos and screenshots, read the wonderful experiences of our actual players, bask in the glory that you backed the right game, it's got to be real because it's on these websites, and buy an Idris!

 

[Stigbob]

Yeah, I can readily imagine a stern letter from EA or Blizztivision or Squeenix threatening to cut off access (and ad funding) having a chilling effect. CIG? Not so much. If anything, that would just generate a ton of “unproven studio out of control attempts mafia methods to stifle criticism! (also, have you heard about the org.crime connections of their previous business?)” stories, amplifying the effect they were trying to subdue. Doubly so since we already know that CIG doesn't really have any ad dollars to retract — they use that funding to buy astroturfing services from online reputation management companies (hence the string of “SC is great” stories that appeared on no-name sites a year or two back, sites that mysteriously had no other content and didn't really post anything else after that).

Yep, it's not like they are an established brandname. The media don't need any sort of good long term relationship with them.

The community hassle seems a far more reasonable explanation, since its composition and tendency to fall back on death threats and harassment at the drop of a hat is pretty well established by now.

It's not their fall back it's literally all they've got, everything points to the skeptics being right especially CIG's habit of constantly proving themselves wrong.

No-one working in journalism wants to be the second Derek Smart with the cult popping up and losing it in the comments of every unrelated article they or the organization they work for ever write spouting bile and claiming you faked your qualifications all because you once said something like "hang on maybe this four year late broken game swamped in technical debt, pay2win pre-orders and legal action isn't going to be quite as good as this unconvincing company with a terrible track record of overpromising and underdelivering says".

Far easier to wait for the collapse then join the chorus of $600 dollars for a spaceship ?, no wonder you got ripped off.

 

[dayrth]

Chickens do go after blood and are quite the little predators with anything small enough to be eaten, so I can see the colored glasses being effective. But even as a really soppy chicken keeper who spoils them rotten I bump off and eat any that cause even minor injuries let alone eye pecking.

You can also get chicken nappies for house chickens, crazy but theoretically useful. I had mine in for a few days when everything was buried under snow and frozen solid and they are little poop monsters, the house is now entirely woodlouse free though.

Wish I had known about chicken nappies before the snow. Our house needed a lot of cleaning.

 

[Stigbob]

Wish I had known about chicken nappies before the snow. Our house needed a lot of cleaning.

Lol, yeah pooptastic. I brought mine in when their poop started freezing inside their hen house. Well that's when Mrs Stigbob insisted I do it anyway.

Luckily we have a wet room with connecting corridor that's all stone flags and easy to mop with floor drains, which serves as an ill chicken hospital and indoor run (and now cold weather shelter). They found out how good the kitchen floor is for tasty crumbs and kept busting out though.

 

[Asp Explorer]

After reading this, how long do you think it'll take Genuine Roberts to declare that poultry management is going to be included in the 'Verse?

Perhaps dedicated coop modules that can only be deployed on claimed land from a specialized ship?

$500 will buy you the Chickeychookcoop - and it will definitely punch above it's weight

 

[Tuub t Tute]

After reading this, how long do you think it'll take Genuine Roberts to declare that poultry management is going to be included in the 'Verse?

Perhaps dedicated coop modules that can only be deployed on claimed land from a specialized ship?

$500 will buy you the Chickeychookcoop - and it will definitely punch above it's weight

A poultry (sic) $500?

 

[Asp Explorer]

A poultry (sic) $500?

My dear Tuub - I expected far better from you.

That pun is absolutely fowl

 

[DukeIronHand]

My dear Tuub - I expected far better from you.

That pun is absolutely fowl

Ouch. The Fidelity of the humor here...

 

[Stigbob]

Ouch. The Fidelity of the humor here...

Don't egg him on.

 

[Gregstrom]

Yup. Just flip him the bird and move onward. I’m sure he’ll coop with the disappointment.

 

[Tippis]

I apologise to everything and everyone for the instigating chicken comment… [where is it]

 

[Tuub t Tute]

I apologise to everything and everyone for the instigating chicken comment… [where is it]

I'd be -a-hoop with the response, myself!

I'd be -a-hoop with the response, myself!

Rooster-a-hoop doesn't have the same cachet somehow...

 

[Tippis]

Why aren't we talking about the latest lawsuit news?

Is CIG's “nonono! don't let them look at our finances, and definitely do not let them make anything public when they inevitably get to look at them anyway!!” response so obvious that it's not even worth commenting on?

 

[frostypaw]

Why aren't we talking about the latest lawsuit news?

Is CIG's “nonono! don't let them look at our finances, and definitely do not let them make anything public when they inevitably get to look at them anyway!!” response so obvious that it's not even worth commenting on?

That's what I figured.

Only really interesting thing to me at the moment is how long this decision on the MTD is taking - is odd.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Why aren't we talking about the latest lawsuit news?

Is CIG's “nonono! don't let them look at our finances, and definitely do not let them make anything public when they inevitably get to look at them anyway!!” response so obvious that it's not even worth commenting on?

No, its just common sense. Why would they, or any other company, want something to be made public? There just isnt anything to say: of course those who file the complaints want the info, and of course the defendant rather not. Big deal.

 

[Tippis]

No, its just common sense. Why would they, or any other company, want something to be made public? There just isnt anything to say: of course those who file the complaints want the info, and of course the defendant rather not. Big deal.

This isn't about getting the info, though — that's bound to happen, and hence why the new filings were made. Rather, it's about trying to keep that info from going public (this being stuff that they initially said they'd release to the backers in, oh, 2016 or so…).

Also, while it's pretty much a given that they'll try to restrict the information they have to give out, the arguments they put forth are strangely inane. “Nuh-uh, data on how much we've gotten from our backers is completely irrelevant and also an undue burden for us to compile, deny deny deny!” Because obviously, how much they've made from the supposed licensing breach is not at all the entire core of the matter, and no-one can really be expected to keep a tally on how much cash has flowed in from where and when. [haha]

 

[AJW]

Only really interesting thing to me at the moment is how long this decision on the MTD is taking - is odd.

I have a suspicion that the judge may have been hoping that this would get settled out of court, and accordingly didn't see any advantage in pushing things forward.

As for discovery, I don't see anything particularly surprising going on here. CryTek claim that CIG has done things in breach of contract and/or copyright. As the plaintiff, they need to provide evidence of that, so they ask for as much detail as they can. CIG on the other hand, as the defendant, don't really have to prove anything, so they would rather not hand over anything at all.

Regarding 'making things public', if it comes to trial, some things revealed as a result of the discovery process will get discussed in court, but beyond that, I'd expect there to be some sort of confidentiality order. It seems unlikely to me that much will become public any earlier.

 

[Cobra1984]

This latest paperwork is to delay discovery for another 30 days, until the motion to dismiss is ruled on. It won't keep anything under wraps if and when discovery goes ahead. Skadden are chomping at the bit to get into CIG's books - and unedited youtube videos too, and emails, hard drives disks... you name it, it's all in there, CIG's lawyers just listed everything Skadden want access to.

A motion to dismiss the streetroller fraud is also pending, that action is still live, the rumour that it was quashed was not correct.

Imagine working there with this hanging over the project, it must be a nightmare.