Punishment

AJgEEZa

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I really hate the new punishment system. Enough that after 220hrs logged (relative noob), I need to delete the game.

Background: I am never the aggressor. I explore, I trade, I sometimes join community goals or bounty hunts if they seems legit. I mostly deliver stuff though, call me the amazon of space!

Tonight, I got a new navy mission (I’m ranking up at the moment to get a corvette). The mission, take out a single pirate in my home system. Humm, I’m in a python so I could.... go on then.

Got there, Scanned them, they attacked me first, in fact I allowed my shield to go down before I even got my guns out. A bit of dog fighting, shields back up, cool. Nope, an NPC ship then flies in front of me and I get a bounty. I killed the pirate and made to get out of there, I didn’t make it and ended up in a detention centre. 200 cr bounty, 7m rebuy. Humm, that sucks as I didn’t actually do anything wrong. Travel back to hand in my mission (24 jumps and 7m lighter) and have to silent run in as I’m wanted. Hand in mission and try to pay bounty. Nope, mission redeemed but I can’t pay the 200cr. Attempt to leave in silent running, nope letterbox is force fielded to prevent me leaving. Die again, another 7m. Buy back puts me 24 jumps away again! My bounty is now 600cr and I can’t pay it or go home.

My point...... it’s now completely broken for me to play this game. I am 43 and played the original as a child on the bbc micro. I just want to have fun and work towards better things. A simple navy rank mission shouldn’t mess you up this bad because of an NPC that flies like a moron!

Anyone know how I could fix this crap situation or should I just delete the game and live a normal elite free life?
 

AJgEEZa

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I am not bitter, I also do not need to get better. It is broken though. In what existence is a 14m rebuy and being locked out of your home system ok for a 200cr fine?? Bare in mind that IF I can pay off the bounty at some stage, it likely to cost me millions. So I am talking 25-30m for a 200cr bounty I didn’t even mean to get.
 
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Garand1987

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Hmm. Well if you got blown up and sent to the center and you paid your fine there you shouldn’t have been wanted when you went to go to your home system. The 200cr bounty was already paid. Consider submitting a ticket if that’s how it went down.
Other than that, if you incur a bounty in the course of completing a mission (scans, assassinations etc) the bounty carries no notoriety so you can visit an IF, and pay it off immediately then return to the system unwanted.
 

CMDR Beni Stingray

CMDR Beni Stingray
So you shot a clean ship and it defended itself and you got killed if i understand you correct. Thats not the games fault, its yours!

Also there is no such thing as a force field that prevents you from leaving the station, you just got stuck in the mailslot and got killed. Also not the games fault but yours.

As long as you didnt kill a clean ship your notority is still 0 and you can just pay it off at an interstellar factors.

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Interstellar_Factors

So yeah as Xious said, get better ;)
 

AJgEEZa

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I cannot pay my fine at the detention centre though, I cannot pay it off at an IF either, I have tried. I’m not ranting for the love of it, I’m saying it is broken (or I am missing something and need help finding it)
 

AJgEEZa

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Oh Beni, that is incorrect. I did not get stuck in the mail slot. I have it recorded. I am not a complete idiot.

I didn’t shoot a clean ship either, a clean ship got in the way, how I don’t know as my python uses gimballed weapons and it wasn’t even close. Effectively you are saying combat is no longer viable though as someone may get in the way? I have never shot anyone by mistake in the 220hrs prior?!?

I have zero notority, it still will not allow me to pay it off.
 

Garand1987

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CMDR Beni Stingray said:
So you shot a clean ship and it defended itself and you got killed if i understand you correct. Thats not the games fault, its yours!

Also there is no such thing as a force field that prevents you from leaving the station, you just got stuck in the mailslot and got killed. Also not the games fault but yours.

As long as you didnt kill a clean ship your notority is still 0 and you can just pay it off at an interstellar factors.

http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Interstellar_Factors

So yeah as Xious said, get better ;)
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Yeah if he shot a clean ship without an enemy ship targeted he’ll get a zero note bounty and the ship will defend itself. I think the only issue with what he’s saying happened was that after he left the DC, having paid his fine, he was still wanted which ultimately lead to his being killed again. If that part is true, the second rebuy should be credited as he shouldn’t have still been wanted after having paid up at the DC.
 

AJgEEZa

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The wanted ship was targeted, it was from it pummelling me upfront as described until it died. I didn’t deselect (or accidentally deselect) the target, not did I reselect the enemy . I was in combat with that one ship alone. There wasn’t even any other ships there until something else got shot.
 

Caduceus Raptor

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I am at a loss as to what happened there. Never seen a forcefield in the mail slot and I have been in and out of few stations as wanted without any dramas and if you're quick enough, you don't even need silent running. I have accidentally picked up a few bounties since the update and also had bounties after missions, scanning bases etc, and not had any problem paying the bounties off at Interstellar Factors. Didn't have any notoriety though so have not explored that aspect of game play yet.

Seems puzzling. Put in a ticket as, if it all went down as you say, then you should not have had a problem.
 

AJgEEZa

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I’m still wanted now! That is what this is about, a death/rebuy for a mistake would have been ok, had I done something stupid. I’m now 2 rebuys in though, the bounty has increased and I’m still wanted. It was a 200cr bounty but it will be 21m on the next rebuy and it will probably not end there. It hasn’t so far. Endless loop.
 

Garand1987

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AJgEEZa said:
The wanted ship was targeted, it was from it pummelling me upfront as described until it died. I didn’t deselect (or accidentally deselect) the target, not did I reselect the enemy . I was in combat with that one ship alone. There wasn’t even any other ships there until something else got shot.
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Hm, okay. As far as I’m aware if you have a wanted ship targeted and an NPC gets caught in the cross fire without them dying it results in a warning and not a fine/bounty. Even if I’m wrong on that and it does, you still shouldn’t have been wanted after leaving the DC, which ultimately lead to your second demise. I would think that if that’s how it went down the second rebuy should be credited if you submit a ticket, and if it’s true that crossfire with a wanted enemy (or one that fired First) that hits a clean NPC doesn’t result in a fine, then both should be credited. I’d submit a ticket if that’s what it is.

btw, don’t delete anywho. Changes to the C&P system are coming end of the week with patch 3.0.3 and maybe we’ll see how that pans out. I know there’s a ‘license to kill’ for wanted ships coming that supposed to fix bounties incurred in systems where the person isn’t wanted by the controlling faction.
 

philngraves

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Lets be fair... you did do something wrong. You shot a clean ship. That is your bad
Frontiers bad is that the Wreckless discharge Fine system seems to not exist. Tested with a small pulse laser, no engineering. One shot to shields, straight to bounty for assault.
This patch is an abrupt learning curve relocation for firing discipline! Don't fret, practice opportunities abound. Also helps to stop firing if you got chaff effect on your target. Good way to tag a clean ship.
Good luck CMDR o7
 

CMDR Beni Stingray

CMDR Beni Stingray
I didnt say youre an idiot, it can happen that one gets stuck in the mailslot. Mind to share the video? Its just the only reasonable explanation because there is no such thing as a force field, im a professional criminal, i should know ;)

So yes you did shoot a clean ship, it doesnt matter if you have targeted it or not. Combat is absolutly viable, trigger discipline and lots of situational awareness is key here.

And for being unable to pay off the bounty/fine if your notority is zero that really sounds like a bug. Just look at the bug section of the forum, lots of cmdrs have that problem but honestly i havent read them all so i cant really say anything about that.

I guess youre playing on PC? Have you checked your flight log? Every event is registered there so take a look, possible that it help you to find out what happend.
 

A D

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AJgEEZa said:
I’m still wanted now! That is what this is about, a death/rebuy for a mistake would have been ok, had I done something stupid. I’m now 2 rebuys in though, the bounty has increased and I’m still wanted. It was a 200cr bounty but it will be 21m on the next rebuy and it will probably not end there. It hasn’t so far. Endless loop.
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This may have been said already, but to clear up this part up. Basically, under the new C & P not all bounties are removed when you leave a detention centre, only the bounty you received from the faction in the system you were killed. To remove any other bounties you need to go to an IF and pay them off. :)

As to the rest of the OP, I'd like it if you didn't stop playing the game. The bounty is just part of the game and its not real money anyway. Your mistake was you shot a clean NPC. Everyone has at one point or another. Now you can move on and be a criminal for a while - could be fun - or get to an IF undetected - also fun.
 
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IndigoWyrd

IndigoWyrd
Force-fielded mail slot? This is entirely new, unique, and never even reported in the beta.

Are you sure that's what happened? Only force fields I've ever seen have been at planetary installations to prevent SRV's from sneaking around easily. Never in a station.
 

Acenoid

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Hi there !

Solution for all of this:

1. re crimes - when you are wanted, don't fly through those systems, instead go into another jurisdiction and pay of the fine at an interstellar factor. you will find them in stations with low security.

Fines can be paid directly at a station but not bounties.

2. Accidental discharges of weapons - you must take care to avoid hitting the NPCs. If the ship is a target then only a few hits cause a bounty. Its annoying but can be resolved with a bit of flying

3. If you are stuck or smth just close the game via the taskbar. Of course it's not "playing nice" but it's your game and and you only cheating yourself with it. The game offers no practice flights with new ships, no tutorials what to do when wanted, therefore I don't see any issue with that, unless you would like to play iron man :)

You will spawn close to the station and hopefully recieved only a little damage.

4. Choose your missions wisely, if you know youre easy on the trigger finger, be sure to take fights only into anarchy systems nobody will care who you kill there.

Good luck cmdr :)
 
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