Oh, dear, Mr Gryphon seems a bit upset. He probably just wants a big cuddle.
The Star Citizen Thread v8
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That's what's always stunned me about this circus. Before every show there's some VIP or journo saying there's all these amazing things round the corner. There's a patently fake video presentation. The whales lap it up every time. And yet nothing eventuates.
…and that's when they bother with inviting people to give it even the slightest air of authenticity. We also have all those cases where some fly-by-night site has gone up, been plastered with copy-pasted “news”, and — puuuuuurely coincidentally — a glowing review of SC, only to never post anything else again.
Double bonus when those sites review content that is explicitly not in the game yet. [haha]
I wonder how much money CIG is wasting on this kind of amateur-hour PR?
Well out of 1.6 million bona fide individual backers, you have to expect one bad apple...
They already martyred Dr Smart, this somehow makes the game stop being broken and worth the money and on time and not a scam.
Would that be Smartyrdom?
Reminds me of a favourite old Genesis track "Some of you are going to die... Martyrs of course, to the freedom that I shall provide!"
"The Knife" is a pretty apt song lyrically when it comes to Star Citizen.
Tell me my life is about to begin...
Tell me that I am a hero...
Tell me my life is about to begin...
Tell me that I am a hero...
But that's the thing. If they improve performance and netcode, then they're very close to having an amazing game.
Everything looks so amazing that they don't need much game content. And in two years we'll have video cards that can totally max this game out.
I don't get the everything looks so amazing thing at all! I think it appeals well to people who want a certain scifi look but unless you're really checking to see some of the poly count... meh.
It's more than the look. You can walk around your ship, see your cargo, see the engine room etc. Then you can doc your ship in your friend's ship. The planet procedural generation looks convincing.
I also thought this was vaperware and I still think the whole thing can blow up due to some funding crisis if they don't get the project under control soon. But with 3.0 and 3.1 coming up, it looks like they're getting much closer to their vision.
Unfortunately, I only play VR games now and I'll have to wait even longer before VR become possible in this game (if ever). But as it is, I may play this game without VR.
I'm not into docking, but whatever floats your boat
Those things aren't really big deals to me. I'd probably do them once then get back to flying my spaceship. The planets aren't procgen, or we'd have all the planets/moons/systems but they do look alright. They again don't impress - the lack of variation across each body and silly size really stand out to me. Because it's handcrafted tiles the tiles look quite nice, but their number is limited.
0.1% to 0.25%.... look at where we are now, look at how they're struggling - then read this description and tell me they're within five years of launch
Spider
A pair of pre-fab processing factories were towed in-system and for decades the system began collecting all varieties of obsolete military spacecraft: fighters “parked” in space, end to end for hundreds of kilometers; abandoned destroyers, cruisers, frigates and carriers; all stripped of various needed or classified systems, berthed together as far as the eye could see.
I think they're a decade from delivering all that they've promised from farming and running businesses to 'verse spanning AI running a 'verse full of NPCs at least 10 times as populous as the humans and all living full daily lives doing their jobs and generating missions etc - and the performance has to be spectacular enough to handle places like Spider?
Naaaaaaah.
I don't think they'll ever get to do all of those things. I think they already have enough for a game if they focus on optimization and basic content.
I haven't played this game in well over a year. I'm a gamer so I'm hoping they succeed. As long as they keep delivering regular playable versions, I think they'll eventually finish or release it unfinished like ED did.
Umm... 3.0 is already out. Its a bit of a slideshow. 3.1 might, or might not, change this.
Dude, you forgot the /s surely?
I respectfully disagree. If I imagine whatever they currently have run at a constant 60 FPS and capable of hosting 20-40 players ....they still dont have a game. There are select videos and marketing footage available already which try to claim that Star Citizen manages to have 20 people online at the same time while maintaining 30+ FPS. Yes it looks amazing and yes it has lots of potential but we were at this stage 6 years ago already. The amazing and potential part at least.
Todays games make one thing very clear. Beautiful looks and fluff dont make a game and certainly dont make a good game. Game mechanics and game loops ensure a games quality and playability. Looks are just the icing on top. We are going in circles repeating the same old arguments time and time again. "Look at how early in development Star Citizen already has breathtaking visuals" the fanatics say. Undoubtedly true yes but that doesnt disregard or counter the opposing claims pointing out all the problems which come with a high level of polish this early in a projects life. It makes development harder, it enforces constant re-development of the same assets and it puts a massive strain on the whole system.
So right now all we have are good looks and the game already chokes. We dont even have functionality or complexity in (only theoretical) and everything goes to its knees. Trying to increase one of these things while maintaining the visual quality (the ONE thing Star Citizen has going for it) proves to be very hard if not impossible for the company and its level of expertise. You cannot say that its "haters" trying to talk down the game when these same people point out how insufficient the chosen game engine is for this kind of game and current development only proves these claims right. When even "live" footage by CiG demonstrates how everything barely runs and requires massive amounts of pre-rendering and scripting in order to resemble a game. CiGs one shot at providing an in-depth glimpse at what Star Citizen aims to be has resulted in a cutscene heavy ingame movie with barely appealing gamelplay.
Demands and complaints dont really have changed all that much in recent years. Only by now people got used to the graphics and start to demand more. More complexity, more functionality, more reliability and suddenly we are back at square one with CiG unable to deliver any of these things. Only today its much harder to believe then it was years ago that CiG already has secret dev-versions inhouse running smoothly with all the incredible stuff people want. With the time and money spent on everything I think its only fair to demand a certain level of completion or at least value when it comes to the game and its current state. And still all we have is good looks.
Thats a tech-demo. Been at that point years ago. The technology for procedural generation can be argued as it doesnt fit the definition of said term very well. Star Citizen employs only the bare minimum of procgen and relies heavily on handcrafted visuals to maintain a certain level of looks. Good looks dont magically improve other things like foundation or flight model.
Technically "Vaporware" might be the wrong term as we certainly have 30+ GByte of code which we can (try to) load up today. But arguing terms isnt going to safe Star Citizen when people expect something that matches propaganda footage and fanatical descriptions. I think the majority of gamers in the world will expect more then just good looks for 60 bucks after a waiting period of 6 years. And these people are not the immature little entitled brats which SC defendants try them out to make. They are the same public audience which every game of today has to face.
Obviously the Star Citizen community has a pool of backers which is happy with its current state. Who for whatever reason continue to pump resources into its development and if CiG can continue to tread water with this kind of funding then gratz, it has made itself a niche it can survive on. When it comes to groundbreaking stuff or leading examples in game development tho things have become rather quiet around Star Citizen.
I personally will admit that the current state of Star Citizen is a good "first attempt" or "rough design". I would make this from an unbiased and neutral point of observation. As soon as you provide more date into the equation tho like the length of development so far and resources spent on what we currently have my opinion would drastically change and drop because with 180 million dollars and a timeframe of 6+years comes a certain level of expectation which Star Citizen simply cannot meet. Things would be even worse if I d have access to previous versions of the project which would make me realize where exactly Star Citizen is in terms of completion. And suddenly its achievements dont look as promising and impressive anymore and release date estimates made in jest (2020) might very well be too optimistic.
You have packed "optimization and basic content" into a sideline which makes it sound like its an afterthought. The flight model alone needs massive amounts of work or a complete overhaul to stand on its own. Basic content doesnt include the complex layers of gameloops which is not only expected but already promised. The amount of technical debt accumulated so far ensures that CiG is busy long years after release to meet promises made already.
You are entitled to your opinion. Me, I dont consider Star Citizen in its current form worth 45 dollars or even more. And I doubt very much that the current version of the PTU even if magically running at smooth framerates without major hickups or crashes would score anywhere near testers higher percentiles. There simply isnt anything there besides nice vistas, screenshots and make-belief.
I am a gamer too. I was where you are now years ago when doubts started to rise but I held on to hope wanting them to succeed. After outright lying and going back on their words multiple times while even blaming their backers for expectations THEY have hyped I m a little desillusioned with CiG and have next to zero confidence that they ever will release something worthy of the title "game".
Today....Star Citizen keeps a place of entertainment for me. It certainly is nothing I pay much attention (for example I completely stopped following development and even my youtube suggestions have adjusted to this lol) to anymore and due to its past practices and behavior CiG has ensured I will never support them in any way or form again. Do I want a superior space game like Star Citizen promised to be in 2012? Sure, today maybe even more then back then. I just came to the realization that Star Citizen is a . I am not swayed by its looks anymore. I can look past fluff and hype and make a hard stand when it comes to what I expect for time and money spent. But hey, maybe in another 5 years we will meet in this very same thread and you are able to tell me "told you so", that would be a win-win for everybody no?
As thus "hope" isnt a bad thing. I just dont think that CiG deserves the amount of hope and trust directed at it.
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