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Live and let live?
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Oh look another back in the day post. Let's be real here there was gold rushes and bugs since launch and even before and there's been billionaires since practically day one.
Ultimately it's not only newbs rushing to vettes that use gold rushes many of us pre launch people use em now and then too, to top up our creds. Frankly it's a whole lot of hoopla for nothing.
Let's have less busyboding and more live n let live please.
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Don't apologize for speaking your mind here. It's a game forum full of people you'll never meet in real life sitting behind a keyboard.
You'll always get a mix of real replies, memes, jokes.
And as you've seen, a long winded, look how smart i am posting.
You now what they say about opinions,every bodies got one.
Keep playing, and keep posting.
We are like a dysfunctional family, but in the end it still works.
Yeah. I really don't mind how fast other people get anything. It doesn't influence me in any way. It's jealousy, that's all.
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Honestly, I couldnt care less if someone uses exploits...fair play to them some guys have all the luck and all that. Ive used little ones like board flipping, suiciding in a sidey at jacques and waking up in the bubble as a shortcut, even toyed around with skimmers when they were a thing, although I sure as hell never made any billions from it.
I applaud some gold rushes, am actually on the lookout fer the next one cos Im particularly short on cash atm and only a day or two before I farm the rep to cutter. I despise selling ships even if I dont like them that much, so a little gold rush would be most welcome anytime soon. I have absolutely no hesitation whatsoever in stating that if they sold credits in the store, Id probably buy them without so much as a second thought if someone else was bothered or not.
That attitude puts me at odds with many who very strongly disagree with those ethics...thing is I still really dont care what they think of me and it would make absolutely no difference whatsoever to how I play. I dont feel the need to explain meself to anyone, so I usually dont even try...but ye asked so nicely and with ye being new here, well all I can say is I agree to live and let live...very strongly agree actually.
From being on these forums as long as I have been though, I can comfortably say that while many agree with the sentiment, not everyone sticks to it and they just have this overpowering urge to interfere with how others play...accuse others of having fun wrong and such.
It used to bother me, but not so much these days cos none of their predictions from years ago came true...Im still here still playing every single day...so much fer killing my own game chances are Ive outlasted most of those who used that line in the first place. Makes ignoring the current witch hunt so much easier and I just think its a bit pathetic now...the ethos of live and let live does not exist in this game...it never has and quite possibly never will ^
I applaud some gold rushes, am actually on the lookout fer the next one cos Im particularly short on cash atm and only a day or two before I farm the rep to cutter. I despise selling ships even if I dont like them that much, so a little gold rush would be most welcome anytime soon. I have absolutely no hesitation whatsoever in stating that if they sold credits in the store, Id probably buy them without so much as a second thought if someone else was bothered or not.
That attitude puts me at odds with many who very strongly disagree with those ethics...thing is I still really dont care what they think of me and it would make absolutely no difference whatsoever to how I play. I dont feel the need to explain meself to anyone, so I usually dont even try...but ye asked so nicely and with ye being new here, well all I can say is I agree to live and let live...very strongly agree actually.
From being on these forums as long as I have been though, I can comfortably say that while many agree with the sentiment, not everyone sticks to it and they just have this overpowering urge to interfere with how others play...accuse others of having fun wrong and such.
It used to bother me, but not so much these days cos none of their predictions from years ago came true...Im still here still playing every single day...so much fer killing my own game chances are Ive outlasted most of those who used that line in the first place. Makes ignoring the current witch hunt so much easier and I just think its a bit pathetic now...the ethos of live and let live does not exist in this game...it never has and quite possibly never will ^
That's not entirely true. At the beginning of the war, yes - the Zero's power-to-weight ratio (no armour, see) made it essentially the king of the skies, but as the war drew on and the US introduced new fighter classes with more powerful engines, that ceased to be the case. It wasn't all weight-of-numbers and tactics - it was simply technology and the brutal maths of industrial population. The Japanese Empire didn't have (and never had) the resources to take on the US - they couldn't out-develop a country that they couldn't invade that also happened to have an industrial base and resources several times that of the entire nation. In a sane world, the leadership at the time would have recognised the utter futility of attacking Pearl Harbour and not have done it. But we don't live in a sane world.
The Zero was a glass cannon in a world of glass muskets. That didn't last long.
Ok op, first off that poster is descending into manifesto territory and it's best to just ignore them, either with the feature, or just don't pay them any mind. They won't stop.
As to your original question, as you can see there are views running the whole spectrum. But I'll give what I feel is the truest answer to your question. It doesn't matter what other players think. It only matters what you think and feel and what FDev thinks. Only you can decide the part about you.
But to what FDev thinks, I think it's crystal clear. They don't always like it, they don't always want it to be as easy as it is at times. But you are not exploiting anything by simply taking missions and completing them. They have, to my knowledge, never punished a gold rush that simply involved using the game mechanics in their messed up bgs/algorithim soup they created.
So to you or anyone else with similar questions think of it like this. Did you purposely break, trick, confuse, or circumvent any mechanic/programming in a specific way as to cause it to stop working as it was designed to? Then you are not cheating or exploiting, no matter what the manifesto crowd feels. This is why these are not punished.
Now are you take specific steps, in specific order, at a specific time to cause the server/ game to break, thus causing it to allow you to do something you could otherwise never have done in the game at all? Like use g1 mats for G5 rolls? Then your are cheating and exploiting. Because causing server disconnects to achieve something outside the bounds of the rules is cheating. that's why that was punished, albeit very weakly in my mind.
You simply took missions that were offered and did what you were told and got the reward they offered. It's neither you, or anyone else job to judge whether the rewards are intended to be that high or not. It's frontiers job to think about and worry about that.
I took full advantage of the ones I was able to, to get what I wanted at the time. And I'm still no billionaire and have to worry about credits. Heck if I had billions all it would make me do is get to cocky with my ship and die more and lose most of it.
Ignore the screaming, unabomber manifesto types because most of them are just scared for their fragile little ego. Because they know they aren't as good as they are and if any competent pilots get into the big ships they have, they will get wasted into space dust. Those who scream the loudest are just scared of having equal or greater competition. And then when that's brought up its countered with, oh I don't care they have it, I'll just kill the noobs in their anacondas or vettes they don't know how to fly. So yeah schizo comes to mind there.
Great example for ONE perspective. One could make probably a psychological profile out of this.
For me this one is totally alien to me. He's probably totally hating people who win the lottery because they didn't work for the money.
Whatever. Internet arguments. Senseless.
Adhock puts irony and sarcasm into posts like most other people put soy sauce on noodles.
The game is healthiest when every1 has access to all the different ships though.
For example we can prove this because the game is monetized based on owning ships.
Ur not gonna buy skins for ships you are prevented from flying u see?
When these ""exploit" trolls complain about 'the game health' what they mean is 'when I can't say I have Something U Dont Have anymore'
My most flown ship is a viper IV... I wouldn't exactly call that extravagant. It's good for everyone to BE ABLE to get every ship. It's also good for people to have GOALS. Elite is a very reward-driven game. Do this task to get that ship, to do more tasks to get an even better ship. Frontier has spent far more time adding more progression and things to unlock than they have spent adding things to do all that stuff once you have it. For a lot of people, that carrot on the horizon is the main thing keeping them playing. Yes they want that big expensive ship, but no FDev shouldn't (effectively) just give it to them. All that leads to is people boring quickly, and not not continuing to play. If players instead spend lots of time in a PROGRESSION of ships leading up to their ultimate goal, then there are all those ships they may become attached to and buy swag for.
Of course, this problem could be avoided if FDev focused on adding more gameplay and stuff to do once you have your dream ship, but that just hadn't been their focus. Considering 3.0 didn't really address that at all, I'm not convinced they're going to make that a priority. As long as they focus remains on adding more tools, more things to buy, more things to unlock, and effort vs. reward balancing (instead of adding gameplay), it's critical people progress at a metered pace.
All this makes sense but only if you assume the "goal" of most players is to get a big ship and then stop playing cause they got their big ship. Dunno but I think getting the ship or ships you want is just one step in peoples overall goal or better yet goal"s".
You also have to keep in mind content locusts are going to still be content locusts no matter what.
Yeah and for hardpoint loadout we had two choices, sticks or rocks.
Well that thinking comes up because some people do end up doing that. But I've never really understood why others bring up that as an argument. The thing for the people against the gold rushes and such thinking that way is this. Those people were never going to stick around anyways. They were destined to leave at some point because no matter what ship have, ED is still the same game.
If someone is going to get in a big ship and then find out the game sucks, well they just expedited their own demise that's all. But what does it hurt when people like that do that? Nothing at all.
It's not like by them making credits, or getting a ship they somehow deprived someone else of getting something. This isn't EQ or WoW or any other mmo that has loot based drops. It's not like you have to go camp some specific mob somewhere far off and kill it over and over and hope it drops the corvette for you, thus depriving someone else of potentially getting the drop.
It's not like there are high level zones you can only get into with a corvette or anaconda or other expensive ships. It's not like there are zones where the old power leveled noobs running around cause problems or anything like that. It's not like they can suddenly ruin a CG for everyone, and CZ's and res sites are so spread around they you're likely to never see people in the, that much. Even if you did they can't ruin any of those for someone.
This game has no subscription so it's not like FD loses any money, or incurs any costs over this. And if people are really going to bring cash shop stuff into this, well that's just disingenuous. You're literally saying keep people who won't like this game playing as long as possible so they spend money on the game.
FDev got their money when the game was bought of those people, and I'm sure some even buy paints and stuff before they quit. But again it's not like it deprived someone else of getting anything from the store or a copy of elite.
In the whole grand scheme of people rush their way, with or without gold rushes, to a big ship then quit what does it really hurt in the game? Nothing, nothing at all. One player can't affect the bgs that much, otherwise we wouldn't have the stalker bot tracking/surveillance finding thread about bgs bots going on.
So in the end who really cares if those types quit, when they are bound to quit anyways? Oh I know, those pvp, seal clubber types that just want more people, in open, in weaker ships to kill, that's what it ends up as. And well you still get that until they quit anyways.
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Because EVERY TIME Gold Rushing comes up, idiots come rushing out of the woodwork to defend it not being an exploit when it fits EVERY CONCEIVABLE DEFINITION of such.
I painstakingly created an article to explain such. And apparently in my Moment of Madness I forgot who I was speaking to.
So perhaps I am justifiably torqued that people are TWISTING REALITY if not language to favor their "it's not an exploit" defense and trampling over all reason I have used to do it.
Perhaps I brought it on myself. Still I think I'm allowed to be angry about it.
Read my crack about entitlement, old girl!
Oh me. You didn't read the OP ether.
[FONT=comic\ sans\ ms]Adhock, one of us has a reading comprehension problem. It isn't me, so have a wee think about the remaining options?[/FONT]
And I call bull having managed to actually pull off a Cobra. Need more practice to do it more reliably but yeah. Bull on you for thinking actual maneuvers have no bearing here.
[FONT=comic\ sans\ ms]Video or it didn't happen. Back to reading comprehension- I stated I've never seen a player pull off any BFM, either personally or in a recording. Feel free to prove me wrong, then stand by for the PvP crowd to debrief you in detail about how badly you fly...[/FONT]
And now you've made me even angrier.
[FONT=comic\ sans\ ms]No, you're making yourself angrier. We've never met, we've never interacted, I'm just words on a screen. If you get angry just reading I suggest you read something more to your taste, rather than complaining about your state of mind on a public forum.[/FONT]
I once recall a topic where I lost an Anaconda to something stupid I did and ended up stuck back in a Sidewinder.
I made it clear I wasn't upset about the Anaconda.
[FONT=comic\ sans\ ms]So 'not upset' you're still dripping about it?[/FONT]
What I WAS up in arms about was the fact someone had UA bombed the starter station cutting off the Outfitters which kept me from replacing the FSD so I could get back to my chosen system. I had to hunt for another system to make money and outfit so I could get back home.
[FONT=comic\ sans\ ms]Yep, UA bombing is bang out of order. But FD don't consider the grief it causes a large number of players to qualify as 'griefing'. See my sig for details and have my sympathy for this and similar incidents.
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95% of the people who read the topic were very unhelpful in that they didn't even read the OP and actually get what I was posting about.
Wait, what? Randoms on the internet disagree with you?
Go back and read the OP of this topic and then hang your head in shame.
Nah, I don't think I need to feel ashamed about your lack of reading ability or bad temper. You really need to own that stuff, Adhock!
ADDENDUM: Yes thank you to everyone who reminded me. Thatch Weave was the name. I really enjoyed reading about it though I forgot where. A reminder that one does not always need superior equipment to match your opponents.
No, you don't. But the Wildcat wasn't inferior- it had a better roll rate and 300 more horsepower, it was armoured, featured self sealing fuel tanks and had enough firepower to destroy a Zero with a single, short firing exposure.
In a horizontal scissors it could manage energy better than the slow rolling and less powerful Zero. Having a wingman perform the same manoeuvre (the Thach Weave is two horizontally opposed scissors) forces the Zero into an untenable position- if he enters the horizontal plane he can't use his superior sustained, low speed turn. Either you or your opposite number are likely to get a firing pass on him each time he changes direction. Even relatively modest damage would shoot down the Zero, because he lacked armour or self sealing fuel tanks. Whereas he needed a sustained volume of fire to knock down a Wildcat, leaving him exposed for a much longer period if he wanted to be sure of destroying his opponent.
If he attempts to engage in the vertical he exposes the limitations of his airframe- his Vne is only 350mph. If he goes past that in a dive he may not even manage to pull out. He can outclimb a Wildcat to reset and launch another attack, but only after pulling out of the dive. Given the heavy stick forces it experienced at anything over 216mph, the Zero was extremely vulnerable immediately after it's straffing run.
You mentioned kill to loss ratios in your OP. Well, if that's your thing, Wildcats claimed 5.9 kills for every aircraft lost in 1942 and had increased that to 6.9 to 1 by 1945. Unlike other Allied fighters they almost exclusively fought against Zeros and tended to get drawn into fighter engagements by the IJN pilots, keen to protect their strike assets. How accurate you believe the kill:loss ratio to be is up to yourself! Personally, I believe the USN made every effort to maintain an accurate picture of their performance, it's likely to be somewhat closer to reality than the oft quoted '12:1' figure fanbois bandy around for the Zero. Your mileage may vary...
My replies are in blue. Try not to get annoyed by random internet posters, Adhock. It's bad for your blood pressure!
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^This.