Wing mission balance pass
- Thread starter Bryski
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'Balance Pass' is always dev speak for Nerf.
Anytime you see that term you know it's a nerf.
Anytime you see that term you know it's a nerf.
Well, I hope the wing missions have a span with regards to volume and reward.
I really dislike it when game only gives you huge volume missions and no smaller sized missions.
Also, Wing missions are supposed to be done as a Wing. If increasing the volume for the cargo missions made it harder to do them solo then that is actually a buff in a sense since it encourages solo pilots to pick solo missions and the wing missions will be done by wings.
As it should be.
Speaking out of principle though since I'll have to check when I get home and see how much they are changed.
I really dislike it when game only gives you huge volume missions and no smaller sized missions.
Also, Wing missions are supposed to be done as a Wing. If increasing the volume for the cargo missions made it harder to do them solo then that is actually a buff in a sense since it encourages solo pilots to pick solo missions and the wing missions will be done by wings.
As it should be.
Speaking out of principle though since I'll have to check when I get home and see how much they are changed.
While I agree increasing the cargo amounts works towards stopping solo players doing wing missions the issue is that the rewards have not been increased inline with the amount of cargo and distances involved.
I am only ok with this nerf if they move Wing missions to their own tab.
Wing Missions totally dominate the mission board, single player missions are much harder to find so yes.. people are finding ways to do Wing missions solo so they have SOMETHING to do.
Nerfing Wing missions without fixing the core problem that they fill up our mission boards even in solo mode is just typical short sided thinking by FD. If they don't want players doing wing missions solo, I can accept that as long as there is also content for solo players.
Putting measures in place to gate solo players from wing missions while still failing to increase availability of solo missions is just making an already shallow game even more shallow.
Wing Missions totally dominate the mission board, single player missions are much harder to find so yes.. people are finding ways to do Wing missions solo so they have SOMETHING to do.
Nerfing Wing missions without fixing the core problem that they fill up our mission boards even in solo mode is just typical short sided thinking by FD. If they don't want players doing wing missions solo, I can accept that as long as there is also content for solo players.
Putting measures in place to gate solo players from wing missions while still failing to increase availability of solo missions is just making an already shallow game even more shallow.
Hard to stay positive. Just don't get it really; why make solo missions pay better cr/hr?
Agreed
Well, I'll be the voice of reason for a change: balance is just that - balance.
If it requires nerfing to get it in line with established set of criteria, nerf it.
If it requires buffing, buff it.
That simple
If it requires nerfing to get it in line with established set of criteria, nerf it.
If it requires buffing, buff it.
That simple
Hi,
Just to comment. I have changed the cargo requested curve very slightly, you may see more at lower ranks but the absolute maximum that can be requested should not have increased significantly. I have also attempted to increase the rewards of delivery wing missions so that there are less negative comparisons to "solo" delivery missions. If people are seeing missions that have extreme reward issues I would love to see some screenshots so that I can try and diagnose where my fixes have missed the mark.
Adam
Just to comment. I have changed the cargo requested curve very slightly, you may see more at lower ranks but the absolute maximum that can be requested should not have increased significantly. I have also attempted to increase the rewards of delivery wing missions so that there are less negative comparisons to "solo" delivery missions. If people are seeing missions that have extreme reward issues I would love to see some screenshots so that I can try and diagnose where my fixes have missed the mark.
Adam
Ridiculous!
You can make roughly 1000 cr/ton in a wing cargo mission. Do it in a wing of 4 you get ~ 4000 cr/ton.
You can easily make 10.000 cr/ton in a normal cargo mission.
Is thats balance? Who would ever take a wing cargo mission?
And the payout mechanic is kind of out-of-this world. Imagine a trucker that can easily quadruple his earnings when he has his wife and his two children in the truck and call this a wing :S
Sorry, normally I may consider myself as a white knight, but this is utterly nonsense.
o7
You can make roughly 1000 cr/ton in a wing cargo mission. Do it in a wing of 4 you get ~ 4000 cr/ton.
You can easily make 10.000 cr/ton in a normal cargo mission.
Is thats balance? Who would ever take a wing cargo mission?
And the payout mechanic is kind of out-of-this world. Imagine a trucker that can easily quadruple his earnings when he has his wife and his two children in the truck and call this a wing :S
Sorry, normally I may consider myself as a white knight, but this is utterly nonsense.
o7
Thank you Adam. Guys lets get to it! Screenshots are the order of the day.
From what I can tell Wing missions appear a lot less now. I only see one or two per faction if I see any at all. So there is that at least...
Cr/T is a nice comparison, but what about time required to complete a mission?
Have you considered that? Do you have meaningful Cr/T/completion time data for comparison purposes?
If not then how about we tone down, sit back and try to get a better picture?
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I will get some screenshots up later tonight after work.
Edit: I am currently at McDermott Enterprise CD-51 102
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Hi,
Yes we have reduced the number of wing missions you will see on each board. They were taking over somewhat. Feedback on how many you are seeing please!
Adam
You want an image? Here it comes:
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Tone down mode on:
I can take 6 of the normal cargo missions with a T9 and earn 12 million cr in one trip.
It will take 9 trips in a T9 to complete the wing mission. That means in a wing of 4 T9 it will take more than 2 trips for each pilot in the wing.
Sorry if I sounded in a way that makes it necessary to ask me to tone down.
o7
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Tone down mode on:
I can take 6 of the normal cargo missions with a T9 and earn 12 million cr in one trip.
It will take 9 trips in a T9 to complete the wing mission. That means in a wing of 4 T9 it will take more than 2 trips for each pilot in the wing.
Sorry if I sounded in a way that makes it necessary to ask me to tone down.
o7
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