White Knights... Runnin' through my mind... and now I'm havin' fun!
The White-knight Paradox: The fear of consequences.
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Sorry, it is all too silly to take more seriously.
"people who disagree with me are scared!"
"people who disagree with me are bribed!"
"people who disagree with me have secret lives and jobs!"
There comes a point where people just have to figure out on their own how to come to terms with other human beings having a different opinion. I know its the internet where perspectives are easily bended, but I still believe 99% of the world population has at least a rudimentary understanding of this notion.
You are allowed to voice your opinion if you agree with the OP. If not you are a white knight. We'll figure out the exact reason why later, dont worry.
Not necessarily, there is such a thing as fanboyism. Look at Destiny (I was there with the first Destiny, and 90% of players I met defended every asinine decision Bungie made; they were literally urinated on and were asking for more, while at the same time vehemently opposing anyone with any criticism). More recently I've tried Neverwinter Online (a blatant P2W MMORPG with 90's graphics), and it was even worse - constant connection problems experienced by 90% of the players, totally bugged instances; completely broken party finder for dungeons and raids; fps dips to slideshow when there were more than 20 players on the screen - problems that persisted in that game for years. And yet, almost everyone you'd talk to in the game - vets and newbies alike - swore by their mothers that none of those issues existed, and it was the best game that was ever created, and anyone pointing out an issue was a troll and should go find some other game.
I'm sure there are more examples of that which I either do not recall or was lucky to never have seen. There doesn't always have to be a logical reason for people to behave like that.
My God! Where did this happen?!
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Nah, they're clearly Russian spies
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I can defend a lot but this is outrageous. Unless you are a president, in which case it probably aint my business.
It's an unfortunate problem that the hardcore playerbase of ED...and like FDev themselves, seem to have little understanding of how gameplay in a space flight/space trading/space combat game...
Is that basically what you're saying...
But, PRESUMABLY YOU DO...and that's an objectively correct fact...and NOT an opinion?
I have to raise a glass to ED. FDEV have done a great job getting us to where we are. Sure gameplay needs a boost, things need tweaking.. The game has bugs, and unintended quirks, it has placeholder content and just like any perfectly imperfect machine, it has its own personality. Sure ED has it's flaws, but by golly have they made me rich! achhhem.. hurrrrr arghh guh gurrh grrruh.... (clearing throat)... ED isn't perfect but it's still ED. Nasty cough I have developed there. I have my moments of cynicism sure, but, could I do any better? nope. She is what she is.
An interesting post.
I think criticism is good, even essential if it is constructive. That's the key, it has to have the objective of addressing genuine issues in game. Often criticism gets a little over the top on our forum and quite aggressive as well which is disappointing. I sit reading some posts and think "why is this person so irate" about a game. I rationalize it by thinking that it means so much to them they are passionate in getting a point of view across. They want it to be better, however I cant help thinking that a balanced and articulate argument is better than a poorly constructed, weapons free rant. There are some people who just complain constantly and it appears they are simply stirring the pot for a reaction. I've seen it called "the forum game," which is a real thing and people do get enjoyment out of winding others up and getting them agitated. It's important to recognize when that happens and be in control and cool it down without starting a forum war.
Just a thought, I would personally hate to see the term "white knight" thrown at people who have something positive to say about the game. It's ok to like it overall but perfectly acceptable to raise an issue. When looking at their history of posts it's easy to identify credibility if they also address or contribute to discussions about game related issues and in some way acknowledge that things are problematic or downright broken. There are regular contributors on this forum that give intelligent, witty and constructive arguments. I was about to name a few that I particularly relate to and enjoy but i think that's unecessary. These people come across as balanced and sensible with a wide spread of posting topics and measured responses to counter arguments. Their objective is to raise an issue to the wider community for discussion which ideally will be seen by the people at FDev who can make decisions to improve matters. Occasionally these people post just for fun, to make people smile or to ask for help. I like these people because they make the forum a pleasure to browse through and make it easy for others to contribute to a discussion.
Hope this makes sense.
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DoodlyStudmuffin
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White Knights fear change and are prone to being fanatical.
you see that in alot of game forums , have seen the behavior as far back as the old diablo 2 forums and on pretty much any game forum i have ever looked at
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I wouldn't mind if FDev does a hard reset. The point of the game to me is to be a better pilot. I can do that in a sidewinder just as well (maybe better) than some of my bigger ships.
I'd miss the Federal reputation ships, but otherwise, eh, it could all be earned again.
I'd miss the Federal reputation ships, but otherwise, eh, it could all be earned again.
I reset whenever I feel jaded with the game, there's nothing stopping you.
Thinking in block caps isn't normal, unless you are in a comic book.
There's venting your frustrations and then there's being an idiot.
In the past I got frustrated with the legal pirate missions. The Hostage ones. So I came to the forums. Rather then type out a post about how Elite sucks because I'm unable to complete these missions, I explained the trouble I was having and asked for help.
Many people came forward with suggestions and methods. And I tried them. I actually got back in the game and attempted them.
However it still wasn't quite working out.
Many people were legitimately helpful and I thanked them afterwards even though I said that I was still having trouble and that I'd just have to try it again later.
That's the key thing here.
A lot of these frustration vents don't bother to ask for help. They're just there to whine.
While Elite has a pretty steep learning curve, there are plenty of people willing to help others get over the hump so to speak. I personally have offer in game mentorship to those who ask for help.
A lot of people don't take others up on that sort of thing.
And I have to watch them with a bit of sadness succumb to their frustrations and just become dead weight to the community. Trying to stir up trouble just because they weren't able to be successful at the game. They want to make others just as miserable and try to drive off others who are trying to enjoy the game.
And a lot of the frustration has to do with not understanding the game. So they fill the forums with a lot of misinformation.
Which I take it upon myself to deconstruct.
Case in point the recent Gold Rushing. People are complaining that Frontier took away their only means of making money. Which could be interpreted in that there is no way to make money other then Gold Rushing.
And that is a lie.
And I will not stand for it.
There are plenty of ways to make money besides the latest Gold Rush.
People think you need lots of money to enjoy combat.
No, you can enjoy combat with a subpar ship.
People think that you need a big ship to enjoy the game.
Another lie, any and every ship can be used. Some might be more challenging then others to use in certain respects. But that's part of the fun. Finding what works and what doesn't.
You don't need all the credits in the galaxy to do whatever you want. They just keep you going. I don't have billions. Only a paltry few millions in the bank and was doing whatever I wanted. Hell I was doing what was fun even when all I had was 30k to my name.
The only thing credits will do is substitute ability. Yes the more credits you have, the easier the game gets. But then what do you do when the game doesn't challenge you anymore? What do you do when it becomes a grind?
I have never said the game is perfect. I have agreed when people can point out flaws without 'attacking' the game. But I will not stand for misinformation by the ill informed.
And usually, it's the ill informed that are the most frustrated because their bad intel is causing them problems.
Careful, there are a few who are very quick to shout "you're just noise, shut up" which, well, makes it sound like a desire to shut down conversation. Which was the point of the topic, as an aside. Elite is a game that can, and will, create vast frustration at times.
It's convenient to ignore the context of a comment, to purely tell people their being daft, but that doesn't automatically mean it's invalid.
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