Ranting will never get you anywhere and one good reason why youtubers will never make game developers, as for skins etc well yes there is a lot of them now so to smooth the waters FD should consider making some free versions available to keep everyone happy.
Youtuber frustration with minor faction applications
- Thread starter Maka Gucci
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I cannot, though not for lack of trying, find any way to contribute anything to this.
The whole minor faction business just... it's a slow process, an extremely slow process, and frankly the current BGS is too garbage to worry about. It's not worth it. Oh, you get your group name in a faction list on a station. Oh, you might even be the Controlling Faction of that station. And then what? Nothing.
Maybe beer will be legal. Maybe it won't.
That's all you get for all your trouble.
Now I do get it. It's cool to see an NPC faction that bares the name you've been calling yourselves. It gives you a reason to give defecate #1 about a system. But at the end of the day, that's all you really get out of it, so... I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
The whole minor faction business just... it's a slow process, an extremely slow process, and frankly the current BGS is too garbage to worry about. It's not worth it. Oh, you get your group name in a faction list on a station. Oh, you might even be the Controlling Faction of that station. And then what? Nothing.
Maybe beer will be legal. Maybe it won't.
That's all you get for all your trouble.
Now I do get it. It's cool to see an NPC faction that bares the name you've been calling yourselves. It gives you a reason to give defecate #1 about a system. But at the end of the day, that's all you really get out of it, so... I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
I've only got like 15 or so ours into it so far, I'm not saying its gonna have epic longevity, but reading about Warframe's history... they've gone on an upward trajectory. you go on their forums and there is nowhere near as much negativity. on their other social media and youtube you are hard pressed to find much negativity (I've looked)
The reason I stated WF as my new game is because I'm looking for a new "Main game" cuz I'm a bit disenchanted with Elite at the moment, I'm of the mindset that I'll come back to it as a main game and spend money on it again when there is something like space legs or progress on making the game fit within the "elite dangerous.exe" window (not having to alt tab to find a gardian ruin/type of material etc)
If you have any suggestions for my quest for a new "Main game" I'll greatly appreciate, I would give Star Citizen the time of day if they spent more time on development and less on making the game into a documentary (not to mention their pay to win funding model).
I don't have any "main game" suggestions. My main game is still Elite and probably will be forever. But I do play a lot of other games, albeit temporarily or those that don't last all that long.
So WoT, WoWs, Subnautica, SWTOR, TESO, Battlefront 2, Titanfall 2, Euro Truck sim 2, Spintires: Mudrunner, The Witcher 3, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Borderlands, Fallout 4 VR, Cold Waters, Exanima and Vanishing Realms. That's what I played this year. On top of clocking another almost 500 hours in Elite. (Yes I have a lot of free time)
But the whole point is - when you feel like you're growing tired of something, just stop doing it. At least temporarily. I didn't play any of those games in one go, either.
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Well, the minor faction model is something that is not very well implemented. Since commanders are not really connected to their own faction there´s no real "feeling" of owning something, also not maintaining something.
And several minor factions with 2-10 commanders each is really something that could block a ressource or two, including all their "BGS is teh dumb"-tickets and questions.
It would be better to remove player factions entirely.
And several minor factions with 2-10 commanders each is really something that could block a ressource or two, including all their "BGS is teh dumb"-tickets and questions.
It would be better to remove player factions entirely.
I can understand the OP's disappointment and frustration, to a degree. But the level of emotion - bordering on anger - I cannot fathom. With all that's going on in the world his passion is misdirected, to say the least.
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Good morning!
DTEA realize this game is single player and devs dont care about players only now? Its known thing like 2 years.
DTEA realize this game is single player and devs dont care about players only now? Its known thing like 2 years.
This has been a problem with elite dangerous from day one...We at the EDF “Earth Defense Fleet “ have two player minor factions. We have the EDF plus the EEF “Earth expeditionary Fleet”. We consider ourselves lucky that we achieved these goals...
That being said I have always been a advocate for proper fleet mechanics in elite dangerous and I feel that this is the most important topic we as a community should be discussing. And let me say this not only should be talking to FDev about Squadrons we should also talk about the next step in game alliance system so that squadrons can band together for a common goal.
I know this thinking is unpopular on these forums but no matter how you slice it we need to have an open and honest discussion with the developers on these two topics.
That being said I have always been a advocate for proper fleet mechanics in elite dangerous and I feel that this is the most important topic we as a community should be discussing. And let me say this not only should be talking to FDev about Squadrons we should also talk about the next step in game alliance system so that squadrons can band together for a common goal.
I know this thinking is unpopular on these forums but no matter how you slice it we need to have an open and honest discussion with the developers on these two topics.
Publicly accusing people of lying isn't the best way to get them on side, or be willing to communicate with you in future either.
Indeed.
I think of lot of these very angry-gamer types in general (i.e. not just in ED) need to seriously develop some perspective and self-awareness.
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I really can appreciate that. I'm not a member of a minor faction (Just AD), but I do like the youtubers involved, and two points stuck out to me.
1) There is this argument from people who defend the grind in Elite, that all MMO's have this type of grind. Well all MMOs generally also have a robust system for managing player guilds, and net code that allows for reliable instancing with more than a few people.
Why does this MMO-light get all the low effort grind mechanics of an MMO without any of the beloved player faction mechanics?
Why isn't the system at least semi-autonomous?
2) When you lead a group in any capacity, you are somewhat responsible for the time and dedication the members of that group to commit to it.
However small a thing a minor faction might be, (much like wearing your tie differently at school, when everyone has the same uniform) it's one of your only forms of personal expression. So seeing how a far you can spread a minor factions influence is as much a part of the game as PP, and something we know player will pour hundreds if not thousands of hours into, over the course of 6 months.
We are talking about some of the most dedicated players and supporters of the product, being completely undervalued and left in the dark for months when it comes to this, while (as D2EA points out) they are more than willing to have direct communication when it comes to asking for support in the promotion of their stuff.
So while minor factions taking a while (9 months to a year by the sounds of it) to get in game isn't perhaps a big deal on it's own. Is the situation not indicative of a more major issue?
That's why I find it concerning, as it relates to everything. FDev add private couriers for pirates while leaving the Power Plant bug in to this day. Releasing paint packs and ship kits of a ship that releases with the same issues brought up in beta. The buggy and untested state of releases.
Just how bare bones is the team over there? Are they even able to keep up with the current work load, let alone add new things or address the many problems already in existence?
Just how concerning should it be to us the consumer who is expected to continue to invest more time and money into a product, from a team (who have my full love and support, but) that seem to struggle to maintain a working build or keep up with the work load hanging over them?
My emotion? Anger? You mean D2EAs vid, not my original post?
type 10 still crushes your svr while taking off (not really damage taken)
DTEA is a well respected member of the community, as is Plater. They have a massive amount of influence via their youtube channels to dictate the narrative in this community. Thankfully after these vids FDEV are far more likely to pay attention to their concerns
Unlike say, random useless forum posts from the usual white knight brigade.And yet they seem to be quick to "communicate" with him (DTEA) whenever they need him to promote something for them on youtube.
Perhaps the promotion contact and player faction creation contact are in fact different people who do not share with each other frequent updates on communications with YouTuber's, and what wheels should be greased as a result of such communications. Or maybe they are aware, but one suspects the other of pilfering their biscuits from the break room, and this famous player is unfortunately just collateral damage.
Edit: speling
Edit: speling
To the point: adding a player faction in the game is a freebie and presumably at the very bottom of the work list, while cosmetics are what's keeping the lights on in the ED studios, so it's not surprising at all.
Full disclosure: I bought all of the Chieftain accessories like a crack addict who couldn't get his fix fast enough.
Full disclosure: I bought all of the Chieftain accessories like a crack addict who couldn't get his fix fast enough.
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I have adopted several minor NPC factions and been a member of three player factions. I have a group registered but never saw the need to follow it through to inclusion in game. Partly because of the wait involved.
If there was a little more communication about these sort of things I'm sure the frustration could be avoided.
If there was a little more communication about these sort of things I'm sure the frustration could be avoided.
So FDEV should charge for adding a player faction.
I'd rather pay and get good service than have something that is free and get terrible service.