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Hcs voice packs altering other apps code?
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Rafe Zetter
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It's clear you've never been poor, watched the news or spent any time around "families on low incomes", that must be nice for you, the air must be pretty clean and sweet where you are. I am of course assuming this, because the other alternative is you are a naive idiot with no awareness of the world around you.
When the cheapest option is all you can afford, choice is a luxury.
Now tell me again everyone has a choice.
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Rafe Zetter
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What's with Apple? I certainly didn't brought them up. You seem to have an axe to grind with them, but don't bring me into your issues mate. Not my businessMy comment was on every company, not a specific one (although started by the fact that someone mentioned FDev should cut ties with HCS - which in that case they should stop making games altogether, as chances are the hardware they use to write code had some "cheap labour" involved).
I don't have an issue with companies having to deal, somewhere between manufacturing a product and me purchasing it, with dealing with less ethical companies. I'm not an hypocrite. We don't live in a world where you can guarantee 100% of everything you interact with has been ethically made.
I didn't someone else did, talking about cheap imports being made by children - Apple had a very public shaming when it was leaked one of thier manufacturers had been found doing this and working staff to death, literally.
Maybe read the news a bit more?
Rafe Zetter
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HCS have reverted the deliberate tampering of the code - because it was illegal, and leaving it in would have been all the admission of deliberate intent a court of law would have needed. Taking out or reverting that which was out there deliberately isn't "doing the right thing" - so try not to give them any kudos for it eh mate?
Secondly the end result after the revert is the same: HCS and GMP still don't play nice together, which until oct '17 with the beta launch of singularity they did, for quite a while. HCS have given the owners of both HCS and GMP an ultimatum "it's them or us" which is also ILLEGAL - google anti-competiton laws.
You're really starting to sound like you're defending HCS saying things like that or throwing out deflective topics like "what about microsoft?"
You are also assuming that the people posting in this thread are being all "high horse" about HCS, while also claiming they are hypocrites who are still buying or contributing to the fortunes of non ethical companies. Pray tell, how do you know this? How did you gain this knowledge of the buying habits of total strangers you've never met, have no idea what their real names are or where they live. Do you work for Cambridge Analytica? I'd truly love to know how, because a lot of the time I don't even know what the lady across the hall from is buying, and I know both her name and where she lives.
Regarding the MS windows "why do you use it, coz MS aren't nice people" deflection shot you threw out - as stated by someone else; which you obviously didn't pay attention to, domestic computers need an OS, and far as I know there's only 2 saloons in town, Microsoft or Linux. MS Windows has an easy to use UI, can be installed by pretty much anyone who can load a CD and read, and has a support system numbering in the hundreds of millions of people. It's also the default OS that comes with every single premade domestic computer on earth outside of china and N. korea
Linux requires specialist knowledge to install, and use. Knowledge that 99.9% of domestic computer users just don't have, it also doesn't have a support network of hundreds of millions of people. Tens of millions yes, hundreds? NO. Throw in the fact that linux doesn't play nice with a large majority of programs, and those that do sometimes requires ...... knowledge that 99% of domestic computer users just don't have, and linux becomes a non starter for 99.9% of domestic computer users.
So there you have it - the reason why MS windows has such global domination - because there really is no other option for 99.9% of it's users.**
Either you weren't aware of this (almost impossible to believe) or my calling it a delberate deflection shot trying to derail the thread away from HCS is true. My money is on the second one.
As for the other global companies that occasionally do dodgy stuff, people DO care, but only those who A) have good moral compasses (and there's far less of those than you might think) and B) have the time pay attention to such things rather than being too busy just surviving and living.
And B) is the reason why so much bad stuff happens in the world - if it's not directly happening to them, most of it gets ignored.
You talk about high horse, while seemingly sitting on one, being all "judgemental like" yourself.
There's a name for that.
** if you think the percentage of 99.9% is an exaggeration, think for a moment of just how many domestic (non industrial / unix type) desktop and laptop computers there are on earth. I wouldn't even be remotely surprised if it averaged out at MORE THAN "1 for every human alive today".
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I’m not defending A, B or C. I’m exposing the hypocrisy in with the narrative changes to suit your needs.
I used Microsoft as an example, as the game runs mostly on Microsoft platforms (the Mac and Sony players shouldn’t be the same as Microsoft ones). But is ok to turn a blind eye to all the anti trust crap Microsoft has pulled over the years (which was caught and went to court for several of them), but in the case of HCS is not acceptable.
I find the hypocrisy very amusing.
Edit: you can also play elite on Mac and PS4, two non Microsoft platforms (although again, neither company is a saint).
I used Microsoft as an example, as the game runs mostly on Microsoft platforms (the Mac and Sony players shouldn’t be the same as Microsoft ones). But is ok to turn a blind eye to all the anti trust crap Microsoft has pulled over the years (which was caught and went to court for several of them), but in the case of HCS is not acceptable.
I find the hypocrisy very amusing.
Edit: you can also play elite on Mac and PS4, two non Microsoft platforms (although again, neither company is a saint).
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Let's perhaps get back on topic.
HCS was caught sabotaging GamePack's code. Fact.
TheThingIs admitted this. Fact.
FDev is using HCS for COVAS. Fact.
FDev hasn't made any sort of statement about the matter. Understandable fact.
HCS was caught sabotaging GamePack's code. Fact.
TheThingIs admitted this. Fact.
FDev is using HCS for COVAS. Fact.
FDev hasn't made any sort of statement about the matter. Understandable fact.
What hypocrisy are you referring to? We all know Microsoft has had a spotted past and no one is congratulating them for it here. I'm not even sure what your point is as it seems irrelevant to the discussion. An off-topic, off-topic post? How amusing.
My opinion came up when someone wrote that FDev should cut all ties with HCS because of what they did.
So, I asked if they should also cut ties with all elements that have or had dubious actions in the past, including but not limited to Microsoft or hardware manufacturers.
Rafe Zetter
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You missed my point - they don't turn a blind eye, but in the case of non mac users here is LITTERALLY no other real choice for all the domestic computer users who don't even really understand MSwindows let alone have the knowledge to intgrate Linux into their system. Hell I'm one of them, yet I can BUILD YOU a computer and tune it, tweak it, and I can get into the guts of code to alter things like game mods - but do I know how to use linux? Nope.
That's a step too far for me and 99.99% of everyone else, this is not the same thing as the hypocrisy you're talking about.
Rafe Zetter
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There's cutting ties and "cutting ties" - you know this, you're just being argumentative for the sake of it.
Have you "cut ties" with youre government for supplying weapons to BOTH SIDES in almost every armed conflict since WWII?
No? you're a hypocrite.
Have you "cut ties" with the the people who supply your petrol / diesel, the same people whom are guilty of displacing hundreds of thousands of natives to that land for occasionally thousands of years.
No? you're a hypocrite.
It's a straw man argument and you know it.
Bad stuff happens, we all know that - some we can't change, some we can. HCS is one of those we can, so we are.
Why are you trying to derail that? Anything you want to tell us?
This.
I've been following this topic and tend to agree with Rafe. What HCS did is not excusable.
I understand the need to keep silent where lawyers are involved, but this has certainly put me off of buying new products from HCS until this issue is resolved (or Frontier either, since they are associated with HCS now - albeit unaware of this issue until recently).
I understand the need to keep silent where lawyers are involved, but this has certainly put me off of buying new products from HCS until this issue is resolved (or Frontier either, since they are associated with HCS now - albeit unaware of this issue until recently).
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Why would I be an hypocrite? I don't have a problem with those things. It's a necessary evil of the world we live in, and I don't pretend I am above them.
Yes, HCS messed up big time (the word is something else, but this is a kid friendly forum). They rectified. Move on.
PS: I very much doubt Portugal supplied weapons in WW2. We hardly even participated in the war. But I get your point. Is a crap world we live in, but it's our world. Not much choice there.
The issue here is that their behavior was not up to standards and continues to be lacking. No apologies, no owning up to making a huge mistake and promising to improve, just a very poor attempt at justification which, incidentally, went over very well with the community. Yes, they rectified, but HCS were not sorry about this at all; they were only sorry they got caught.
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Rafe Zetter
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So what you are saying is you are OK with the native peoples of a land being forcefully displaced (and even murdered) for the resources in the ground underneath them as a "necessary evil", but not OK with other people using Microsoft windows coz Microsoft are "bad men"? (forgetting the whole fact Bill Gates has given more money to charities and those in need than any other human on earth - ever.)
WOW. I have an enourmous vocabulary larger than most and I'm literally lost for words how broken your moral compass is - on reflection I'm not lost for words, but you get my meaning anyway,
The german "not very nice people who murdered millions of innocents"between 1939-1945 - (because the ridiculous filter doesn't allow their actual name to be used) and thier allies had to pay war reparations*** in the billions of dollars - did that absolve them too? Or are there still thouands of unsettled lawsuits being brought against them even in 2018 for stolen property. All those people who had priceless artworks and hierlooms and in many cases actual buildings confiscated, that still have not had satisfaction from the german govt 73 years later - going to tell all of those to "move on" as well?
Yes that's an extreme example, the principle of intent is the same "I am going to actively interfere with your life and property to suit my own needs and I'm not giving you a choice, and moreover I'm going to hide it, so you don't even know I'm doing it."
Not surprisingly, this is why the laws that were broken by HCS were created in the first place.
A principle of "acceptable behaviour within our society" is a principle and a law is a law - publically break either at your peril.
A reversal of a deliberate action, even when the reversal was voluntary - which this was not - absolves nothing.
Back on topic - Why are you so set against HCS being brought to task for breaking laws ??? LAWS - actual LAWS, not some perceived misdemeanor that has no basis in law, but actual laws, in multiple countries.
I said every war since - any country that has an ability to manufacture arms, however small, has been guilty of supplying weapons to anyone who will buy them pretty much since 1945.
A quick google reveals even Portugal has had a weapons manufacturing industry until only very recently.
Going to cut ties with your country now for suppling arms that has killed and murdered people? Thought not, because as you say there's not much choice - as it is for 99.99% of all MS windows users.
I suggest you get off that particular horse and retract your statements and accusations of hypocrisy before I really get started.
*** posh word for rectification of losses.
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