Was just about to buy on Steam... then noticed: Denuvo
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What exactly is the problem with an anti piracy code that prevents you from buying the game?
I don't think Frontier allow modding on any of their games, if that's what the OP means. It's already supported in game though to splice pit-viper genes and make even herbivores aggressive (!) so I'm not sure there will be all that much need to mod to come up with interesting hybrids. Brachiosaurus rampage anyone!?
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modding is a slightly different vein though. and the devs can easily provide tools to mod the game (which no doubt they will because we live in the age of mods being almost necessary for most people) without encroaching on denuvo. the idea of denuvo is to prevent piracy - they don't want cracked versions of their games floating around, as does every other game dev. It's just unfortunate that tbh denuvo isn't gonna stop piracy anyway but nothing wrong with them trying
well, i mean not really, I'm just interested in the reason he's gonna use to try and justify this madness lol
Then again, do we really need him to elaborate?
well, i mean not really, I'm just interested in the reason he's gonna use to try and justify this madness lol
Denuvo has had allegations in the past of reducing the life of your SSD's (though proven false I believe) and in Assassin's Creed Origins has basically been confirmed to put a heavier performance tax on your system, though that I believe was from the VMProtect+Denuvo combo, which was calling for a check every time the character moved, which the blame solely lies on Ubisoft.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/79pzwi/proof_that_assassins_creed_origins_uses_vmprotect/
I understand the concern, though the reaction is probably a bit much, I'm not going to pass this game up because of a DRM measure I don't particularly care for. If Planet Coaster runs fine then there's probably no cause for concern (I've never actually played it so I have no idea how it is.)
I only hope it doesn't prevent me from playing the game 10 years down the line like I still did JPOG if in the extreme circumstance Steam dies or something.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/79pzwi/proof_that_assassins_creed_origins_uses_vmprotect/
I understand the concern, though the reaction is probably a bit much, I'm not going to pass this game up because of a DRM measure I don't particularly care for. If Planet Coaster runs fine then there's probably no cause for concern (I've never actually played it so I have no idea how it is.)
I only hope it doesn't prevent me from playing the game 10 years down the line like I still did JPOG if in the extreme circumstance Steam dies or something.
Planet Coaster used Denuvo as well, and has Workshop support.
I am going to guess they want people to buy their games rather than have people DL it from TPB and such from day one. Denuvo has proven to be a relatively efficient anti-piracy measure, and I have never had issues with Denuvo-controlled games myself. I dont see the issue.
I am going to guess they want people to buy their games rather than have people DL it from TPB and such from day one. Denuvo has proven to be a relatively efficient anti-piracy measure, and I have never had issues with Denuvo-controlled games myself. I dont see the issue.
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well it's not even on steam as far as I can see?
edit ups! just found it
Went online today.
I'm guessing that OP won't buy it because Denuvo is known to cause performance issues with games especially when implemented poorly. Also, many people find that it isn't useful anymore because recently Denuvo has been cracked in less than 24hrs meaning that it doesn't really do it's job at ensuring people don't pirate the game,
People have been saying that for years, but it isnt so. It generally takes weeks to mobths for trams to crack a denuvo game, and you have to start from scratch each new game. Sometimes you can get lucky, but that is extremely rare. And Planet Coaster has zero issues with poor performance or some such. Denuvo works, and anyone who just buys their games has nothing to worry about.
what the developers wanting people to buy their digitally released game that doesn't need to be pirated
HERESY OFF WITH THEIR HEADS
HERESY OFF WITH THEIR HEADS
Went online today.
Purchased !
So, Denuvo is one of the more restrictive DRM systems out there. The single benefit of Denuvo is that it makes it harder for release groups to put out day one releases of new games.
Note that I didn't use the words "prevent" or "impossible". It just makes it harder. How much harder? Depends on the version of Denuvo. In any case it's a temporary solution. Denuvo becomes ineffective a few months down the road. But that is really the sole purpose: They try to prevent torrents from popping up on release day. And this works, most of the time.
The problems with DRM in general, and Denuvo in particular, are manyfold:
1) It's expensive.
2) It's intrusive. (You may even be unable to start the game if certain other software is present)
3) It's opaque. (A normal customer has absolutely no knowledge what Denuvo does behind his/her back, and this opaqueness of DRM has been abused in the past)
4) It's restrictive ("activation limit", etc.)
5) If games don't patch it out later, you eventually lose access to that game.
6) If companies go bust, games vanish from the face of the earth.
7) It's not very effective (at least, not for long. See Wikipedia for a list of Denuvo-protected games and their current protection status)
There's one side benefit coming from point 1: Because Denuvo is expensive, and requires continued investment to stay relevant, many companies started to remove Denuvo after some time. In my mind this is pretty sensible and I would hope Frontier does the same, eventually.
Ultimately, Denuvo is a pointless product however. The way to beat piracy is to make buying the game more convenient than torrenting it. I often buy older games on Steam, GoG or G2Play simply because it's quicker to download the game from there than to try and wait endlessly for a torrent. I don't even mind that the prices on Steam are extremely inflated, especially with older games being sold at a markup of 50, 100, 500 or sometimes even 1000%. (For example, the current market value of Ghost Recon Wildlands is about USD 20. That's also the "sale" price you get from Ubisoft themselves. On Steam it's still a full price game.)
But if the markup isn't too extreme, convenience certainly trumps everything else. People who can't afford your new game won't buy it just because there's no torrent. And lazy people (i.e. most customers ) won't torrent it if a full purchase is more convenient and quicker. Steam's own DRM is incredibly easy to circumvent these days. Yet, that doesn't matter one bit. They did not invest into improving it, because there's no need. Valve "gets it".
Denuvo should not make you NOT buy a game. However, Denuvo is a restriction for customers, and an investment protection for the publisher/developer. If Frontier plans to remove Denuvo a year from now or so, great. If not, then many years from now only the pirates are going to be the ones being able to play this game. Finally, if Denuvo makes it impossible to play the game on your PC, which sometimes happens, do get a refund. Problem solved.
Note that I didn't use the words "prevent" or "impossible". It just makes it harder. How much harder? Depends on the version of Denuvo. In any case it's a temporary solution. Denuvo becomes ineffective a few months down the road. But that is really the sole purpose: They try to prevent torrents from popping up on release day. And this works, most of the time.
The problems with DRM in general, and Denuvo in particular, are manyfold:
1) It's expensive.
2) It's intrusive. (You may even be unable to start the game if certain other software is present)
3) It's opaque. (A normal customer has absolutely no knowledge what Denuvo does behind his/her back, and this opaqueness of DRM has been abused in the past)
4) It's restrictive ("activation limit", etc.)
5) If games don't patch it out later, you eventually lose access to that game.
6) If companies go bust, games vanish from the face of the earth.
7) It's not very effective (at least, not for long. See Wikipedia for a list of Denuvo-protected games and their current protection status)
There's one side benefit coming from point 1: Because Denuvo is expensive, and requires continued investment to stay relevant, many companies started to remove Denuvo after some time. In my mind this is pretty sensible and I would hope Frontier does the same, eventually.
Ultimately, Denuvo is a pointless product however. The way to beat piracy is to make buying the game more convenient than torrenting it. I often buy older games on Steam, GoG or G2Play simply because it's quicker to download the game from there than to try and wait endlessly for a torrent. I don't even mind that the prices on Steam are extremely inflated, especially with older games being sold at a markup of 50, 100, 500 or sometimes even 1000%. (For example, the current market value of Ghost Recon Wildlands is about USD 20. That's also the "sale" price you get from Ubisoft themselves. On Steam it's still a full price game.)
But if the markup isn't too extreme, convenience certainly trumps everything else. People who can't afford your new game won't buy it just because there's no torrent. And lazy people (i.e. most customers
) won't torrent it if a full purchase is more convenient and quicker. Steam's own DRM is incredibly easy to circumvent these days. Yet, that doesn't matter one bit. They did not invest into improving it, because there's no need. Valve "gets it".Denuvo should not make you NOT buy a game. However, Denuvo is a restriction for customers, and an investment protection for the publisher/developer. If Frontier plans to remove Denuvo a year from now or so, great. If not, then many years from now only the pirates are going to be the ones being able to play this game. Finally, if Denuvo makes it impossible to play the game on your PC, which sometimes happens, do get a refund. Problem solved.
Got some references to back up these specious claims Runty?
Denuvo isn't an issue, just like all other DRM, people cry and make a huge fuss and in the end everyone forgets about it.
I think the ones complaining the most are the ones who actively DL cracked stolen softwares.
If Denuvo interferes with other programs, I wonder about the authenticity of those affected.
If Denuvo interferes with other programs, I wonder about the authenticity of those affected.