Was just about to buy on Steam... then noticed: Denuvo

Toumal

Toumal
Gully_Foyle said:
I think the ones complaining the most are the ones who actively DL cracked stolen softwares.
If Denuvo interferes with other programs, I wonder about the authenticity of those affected.
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I'm a software developer and I had issues with Denuvo in the past. "Just don't use Software X" is not a valid response for me, personally. Luckily they fixed this in later versions. But just assuming that people who don't like Denuvo must be filthy pirates is, forgive me for being blunt, extremely ignorant. You'll stop enjoying such allegations the moment YOU have a compatibility issue with Denuvo, and you won't like it one bit when others tell you that you must be one of them torrenters who are just salty they can't freeload anymore.

So please, don't say such things. At least not as a blanket statement like that.
 

Gully Foyle

Gully Foyle
Toumal, more of an opinion than a blanket, but I see your point.
I live in a household with teens who are constantly trying or being catfished into DLing cracked games.
I have to run a VM to keep their comps safe lol

Love your Forum Sanitiser by the way. Well done!
 
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Toumal

Toumal
Gully_Foyle said:
Toumal, more of an opinion than a blanket, but I see your point.
I live in a household with teens who are constantly trying or being catfished into DLing cracked games.
I have to run a VM to keep their comps safe lol

Love your Forum Sanitiser by the way. Well done!
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Thanks ;)

Oh I can see your point. But ask yourself, would those teens buy all those full priced games? Most likely they'd have to choose one over the other in any case. In addition, any multiplayer game you pretty much HAVE to buy to be able to play online.

Are there people who are super savvy and out to get as many free games as possible? Definitely. But I'm pretty sure those are very much a minority. Most of us are lazy and love convenience ;)
 

Shadowdancer

Shadowdancer
It's mostly unnecessary expense for the publisher since it's broken some days after release anyway. Is the additional cost for licensing worth the handful extra day 1 sales? Unlikely.
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
Shadowdancer said:
It's mostly unnecessary expense for the publisher since it's broken some days after release anyway. Is the additional cost for licensing worth the handful extra day 1 sales? Unlikely.
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Most Denuvo titles took over a month to break and some hadn't been cracked at all.
The piracy on popular unprotected games usually exceeds 3:1 ratio (three DLs per one bought copy) Some are MUCH higher. If every tenth pirate decides that they don't want to wait, the protection will pay for itself in first couple of days.
 

blubbit

blubbit
Toumal said:
Finally, if Denuvo makes it impossible to play the game on your PC, which sometimes happens, do get a refund. Problem solved.
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This. Steam is very good with their refunds too. If it turns out I have issues with it on PC, I'll refund it and try my hand at the PS4 version. I can deal without having the preorder skins.

Thankfully the 5 extra dinos are a part of the deluxe edition and not a preorder bonus.
 

JimmyCakes

JimmyCakes
Shadowdancer said:
It's mostly unnecessary expense for the publisher since it's broken some days after release anyway. Is the additional cost for licensing worth the handful extra day 1 sales? Unlikely.
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They wouldn't do it if it didn't make them money, unless their objective was to make less money. So the obvious conclusion is yes it is worth it for them otherwise they wouldn't bother.
 

PCMR4Life

PCMR4Life
blubbit said:
This. Steam is very good with their refunds too. If it turns out I have issues with it on PC, I'll refund it and try my hand at the PS4 version. I can deal without having the preorder skins.

Thankfully the 5 extra dinos are a part of the deluxe edition and not a preorder bonus.
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2 hrs or less and 14 days or less of ownership of the game and you can get a refund. Steam is good for refunds. Though they were late to the party. EA had been giving refunds through Origin before Steam.
 

PCMR4Life

PCMR4Life
I have Planet Coaster and Elite Dangerous (haven't played it in a while) and I have had no issues with the DRM software.
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
PCMR4Life said:
I have Planet Coaster and Elite Dangerous (haven't played it in a while) and I have had no issues with the DRM software.
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Yeah. And after all, Not buying the game because it has DRM is just stupid. Returning the game and asking a refund when DRM gives you trouble, sure, that's fine, but being a priori against a DRM just doesn't make sense.

It's like saying "I won't buy this car, because it has car locks"
 

S3B4ST13N

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*basks in Denuvo DRM darkness; unfazed and untouched*
 

znôrt

znôrt
Returning the game and asking a refund when DRM gives you trouble, sure, that's fine, but being a priori against a DRM just doesn't make sense.
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someone didn't get the point.

Chris Simon said:
It's like saying "I won't buy this car, because it has car locks"
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if you absolutely need to come up with a car analogy, make it a good one: "i won't buy this game, its car locks are from a company with a reputation for being intrusive and shady behavior".

Chris Simon said:
Not buying the game because it has DRM is just stupid.
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see? with the correct analogy it does make sense. unlike your comment! :)

drm in general is actually a controversial topic. you might be fine with gulping down the kool-aid, but calling people with legitimate concerns stupid is not very bright.
 

S3B4ST13N

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Apart from AC: origin where the DRM messed with the performance of the game; I haven't had DRM issues in years.. to me, people who won't buy games because it has DRM are usually stuck in some kind of hole of information from the mid-90's when DRM actually was a problem. Today.. today it's likely complaining that you don't like Steam because it uses resources.. seriously.. what rubbish machine do you have that Steam negatively affects the performance of your PC? xD
 

Chris Simon

Chris Simon
znôrt said:
someone didn't get the point.



if you absolutely need to come up with a car analogy, make it a good one: "i won't buy this game, its car locks are from a company with a reputation for being intrusive and shady behavior".



see? with the correct analogy it does make sense. unlike your comment! :)

drm in general is actually a controversial topic. you might be fine with gulping down the kool-aid, but calling people with legitimate concerns stupid is not very bright.
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Alright, enlighten me. What exactly is the shady and intrusive behaviour Denuvo seems to be having?
And refusing to work when memory injection tools are active doesn't count.

DRM actually ISN'T a controversial topic. I salute devs like CD Project for not using them, but piracy on PC is endangering the whole industry. So it's either DRM, or going the close environment route Mac and consoles are using. And THAT would be controversial. Microsoft tried to hint it with W10. Look how that ended for them.

And speaking of CDP, I've read a report from them about half a year after release of TW3 - 3 million copies sold on PC, 3 million sold on consoles. 10 million downloads from TPB. So.. there.
 
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znôrt

znôrt
Chris Simon said:
Alright, enlighten me. What exactly is the shady and intrusive behaviour Denuvo seems to be having?
And refusing to work when memory injection tools are active doesn't count.

DRM actually ISN'T a controversial topic. I salute devs like CD Project for not using them, but piracy on PC is endangering the whole industry. So it's either DRM, or going the close environment route Mac and consoles are using. And THAT would be controversial. Microsoft tried to hint it with W10. Look how that ended for them.

And speaking of CDP, I've read a report from them about half a year after release of TW3 - 3 million copies sold on PC, 3 million sold on consoles. 10 million downloads from TPB. So.. there.
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look farther up, in the very thread you replied to.

now shill in peace, my son.
 

Jack1253

Jack1253
That was an interesting turn of events. But in all seriousness, I think JWE needs the DRM b/c I don't want people to play it for free if I have to pay $60 for it. And if no one pays money for it that could give Frontier, and the rest of the industry in the future, major problems.
 
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