So I've been playing with the Guardian weapons and they seem pretty tasty. However, on paper I'm less sure about the guardian power plant. It sounds like you get more power at the expense of weight and heat, which is much the same as what happens when you engineer a power plant. So is it worth having?
Guardian power plant vs engineered power plant
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I could be wrong, but my understanding is they are supposed to be similar. You can either get a regular power plant and invest time in engineering it, or if you just wanted extra power instead of lower heat, etc, then you can essentially bypass the engineering and pay extra for the guardian one.
My gr 5 A8 overcharged powerplant has better power output plus run cooler with that termal sec effect against its A8 guardian counterpart....so answer is no.This guardians modules and weapons are only very effective agains Thargoids(guardian powerplant cant be shoutdown).How ever guardian powerplant is very handy when you need on thefly to test some high power moded weapons,saving you time to mod classic poweplants and looking for materials.
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Ah, now that I didn't realize.. Might be handy.
I haven't done any formal comparison, but the Guardian plasma charger seems, on paper to compare well with a normal C2 PA. (Thanks to Truesilver for the table)
| WEAPON | FDev | Shield | Hull | RoF | DPS | DPSvS | DPSvH | Draw | EPS | DPE | EvS | EvH | ShSp | APV | WEAPON |
| c4 PA | 125.2 | 120.2 | 130.2 | 0.3 | 31.3 | 30.05 | 32.56 | 21.04 | 6.31 | 5.95 | 4.96 | 5.16 | 875 | 100 | c4 PA |
| c3 PA | 83.4 | 80.06 | 86.74 | 0.3 | 24.2 | 23.23 | 25.17 | 13.6 | 4.08 | 6.13 | 5.93 | 6.17 | 875 | 100 | c3 PA |
| c3 Adv Acc | 34.4 | 35.78 | 35.78 | 0.8 | 28.7 | 27.55 | 29.85 | 5.5 | 4.4 | 6.25 | 6.26 | 6.78 | 875 | 100 | c3 Adv Acc |
| c2 PA | 54.3 | 56.47 | 56.47 | 0.3 | 17.18 | 17.18 | 18.62 | 8.65 | 2.6 | 6.28 | 6.61 | 7.16 | 875 | 100 | c2 PA |
| c2 Rail | 41.5 | 41.5 | 44.3 | 1.2 | 50.0 | 50.0 | 53.35 | 5.11 | 6.13 | 8.12 | 8.16 | 8.70 | - | 100 | c2 Rail |
| c2 Imp Ham | 15.0 | 15.0 | 16.0 | 4.1 | 61.4 | 61.4 | 65.51 | 2.0* | 8.2 | 7.5 | 7.49 | 7.99 | - | 100 | c2 Imp Ham |
| c1 Rail | 23.3 | 23.3 | 24.9 | 1.6 | 37.0 | 37.0 | 39.48 | 2.69 | 4.3 | 8.66 | 8.6 | 9.18 | - | 100 | c1 Rail |
| WEAPON | FDev | Shield | Hull | RoF | DPS | DPSvS | DPSvH | Draw | EPS | DPE | EvS | EvH | ShSp | APV | WEAPON |
Plasma charger:
| Class | Rating | Mass (T) | Integrity | Power Draw | Weapon Mode | Damage Type | Damage | Armour Piercing | ROF | Damage Multiplier | Thermal Load | Ammo Clip Size | Ammo Maximum | Value (CR) | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | B | 4.00 | 42 | 2.13 | Fixed | Absolute | 5 | 80 | 5 | 17 | 5.2 | 15 | 200 | 498,210 | |||
| 2 | E | 4.00 | 42 | 2.01 | Turret | Absolute | 4 | 80 | 5 | 17 | 5.8 | 15 | 200 |
Of course that's before engineering... I also don't know the exact effect of fully charging the guardian weapon etc.. One thing not shown in these figures is the projectile speed. The guardian weapon seemed easier to use last night when I was trying it and I had the impression that it was quicker. Two of them on a test ship took down an elite PVE Conda very quickly. I'm sure others have put much more thought into all this though, I've been out of the game for a while.
EDIT: Mind you..
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...harger-Damage-Inconsistent-with-Stated-Values
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So you are saying it is immune to the Thargoid power disruption tech?
jankula said:
Are you talking about the emp burst?
Edit: also didn't notice but if you mention secondary effects that means you're talking about a grandfathered engineered module, so not sure you're providing the best example for this discourse. I am curious about your shutdown claim as that's the first time I've heard about that.
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Gluttony Fang, well known Thargoid killer says no. And I'm inclined to believe him. If it was true I would be like "Take my mats!"
Now that is interesting , one more slot for shield booster?
But my issue is heat eff of that power plant, my current has similar power output , but heat eff ~4.3 . Integrity feels less important as i noticed that Thargoids currently target FSD and Thrusters sometimes power distributor , before 3.0 they were sniping PP
But if its true that it is immune to shutdown field that might be interesting if someone need more shields
It's not true that the Guardian power planet can't be shut down. I was hyperdicted by Thargoids in my trader iCutter which is equipped with a Guardian power planet and the Thargoid shut down my ship with their emp pulse.
Now that is interesting , one more slot for shield booster?
But my issue is heat eff of that power plant, my current has similar power output , but heat eff ~4.3 . Integrity feels less important as i noticed that Thargoids currently target FSD and Thrusters sometimes power distributor , before 3.0 they were sniping PP
But if its true that it is immune to shutdown field that might be interesting if someone need more shields
Yes its immune.Thats the purpose of that module afterall even the prize is higher than standard now.
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Can you provide some evidence for that claim? I keep hearing it but I've never seen it proven.
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Doesn't it shut down at 5 minutes in?
Yeah, not sure what you want to tell us? It gets shut down by the energy surge :S
Nope, that's the lightning attack. Shutdown field is when COVAS says the warning "energy surge detected".
So my bad,im sorry for my desinformation,we have no proof.
Perhaps once the rumored Guardian Power Distributor is available, if the two are used together, you might be protected from the EMP.
If not, I think they're both a waste. If you don't have access to G5 Powerplant Engineering (which is not that hard to unlock), then I guess the Guardian PP is worth it. For those that do, it's just overpriced junk.
If not, I think they're both a waste. If you don't have access to G5 Powerplant Engineering (which is not that hard to unlock), then I guess the Guardian PP is worth it. For those that do, it's just overpriced junk.