General / Off-Topic "Sense of entitlement" - when did it become a dirty thing?

[Rafe Zetter]

Someone posted in another thread recently "The sense of entitlement around here is stinking the place out. I'm off."

When did the very real and human expectation to have delivered what's expected become a bad thing and the phrase "sense of entitlement" become a phrase synomymous with "asking or expecting for something you are neither justly due or deserving, EVEN IF YOU PAID FOR IT".

I'm obviously aware of the usage "sense of entitlement" when linked with "special snowflakes" - but now it seems as though no-one can tell the difference between "Justly entitled due" and "feeling entitled to something that is completely unrealistic".

Can someone explain this to me pretty please?

I'll bet there's been more than a few forum members who have thrown that particular "sense of entitlement" phrase around in anger, who have also requested refunds or other actions when what they have paid for has been sub-par.

It's getting as bad as "I'm offended by that" which has also become a catchall phrase - oddly enough, often employed by those same "special snowflakes" who seem to think that by using that phrase it will have an automatic reaction of the "offender" stopping what they are doing or saying just for them. Yes in same cases it's justified, in many others, not so much.

Is this the future fo the english language? Dumbed down to the lowest denominator of verbiage using just a handful of phrases to mean almost everything, because they lack the education or intelligence to use all the other ones that have been used by countless generations before them.

The english language used to be a beautiful thing, celebrated in works the world over - now it's so dull it's almost monosyllabic.

 

[verminstar]

I bet yer fun at parties...I love it when grown men use big words ^

 

[Ian Skippy]

Every special snowflake feels their sense of entitlement is justified and they aint a snowflake. For example when grown men keep complaining a specific computer game isnt what they expected year after year after year, even after admitting they havent even played it once since it was released.

People will call it childish, pathetic and a prime example of a depressingly misjustified sense of entitlement. But whomever that gentleman is wont understand it, and instead of taking the hint and growing up he is likely to post a lengthy diatribe lamenting how the world doesnt take his special sense of entitlement seriously.

Weird stuff indeed!

 

[Arry]

The extremists make the most noise: Those that make the most noise, get the most attention. Those that are getting the most attention, feel they can make demands, through a sense of entitlement. Thus the cycle continues and grows like a virus.

The inter-web has made this a much greater issue. Now the less than one percent and often, the extremest view point, gets the most attention and also: Gets to dictate how the 99%, speak, think and act.

George Orwell, is giggling his nuts off.

 

[6xes]

I think the sense of entitlement refers namely to those who havent learnt to face resistance/work and asks for the same reward without having done the hard yards!!
one can be fortunate and receive rewards randomly...
in essence Sense of entitlement amounts to the Spirit of Envy or the spirit of Covetousness
Consider exodus 20:17

 

[Stigbob]

EVEN IF YOU PAID FOR IT

You didn't pay for it though, you got a refund pre-release and have never played the game. Nobody owes you anything.

I'd give some thought to getting a new hobby if I were you.

 

[verminstar]

You didn't pay for it though, you got a refund pre-release and have never played the game. Nobody owes you anything.

I'd give some thought to getting a new hobby if I were you.

Wait a sec...the op has never played the game? Fer real?

Oookay...hmm...

 

[Rafe Zetter]

Every special snowflake feels their sense of entitlement is justified and they aint a snowflake. For example when grown men keep complaining a specific computer game isnt what they expected year after year after year, even after admitting they havent even played it once since it was released.

People will call it childish, pathetic and a prime example of a depressingly misjustified sense of entitlement. But whomever that gentleman is wont understand it, and instead of taking the hint and growing up he is likely to post a lengthy diatribe lamenting how the world doesnt take his special sense of entitlement seriously.

Weird stuff indeed!

I guess you didn't pay attention to my post about politics, sports or celebrity trash "news".

Lots of people complain about things they know very little facts about - look at brexit as the prime example.

However this isn't what's been happening here.

I don't have to take part in the game to know what's going on - there's a forum where I can read everything - the forum is the games version of a "newspaper" or CNN and is updated literally minute by minute of changes in the game and player reactions. I'm more informed about the game and the background than all of the players who play the game, but avoid the forums.

Twiddling a joystick and reading ingame pages and mission boards isn't going to add anything to that at all.

By your definition Sleut - every person who's NEVER taken part in politics, sports or had any major events happen to them is allowed to talk and / or complain that things aren't going to plan.

My father isn't a politician, but just an hour with him and you'll know he knows more about politics and the political landscapes of UK and the EU over the last 50 years than most current politicians - but by your definition he's not allowed to have any say because he's never actually taken part in politics.

Here's a thought and a challenge, if you personally think that people who've never been football managers for example should keep thier collective mouths shut about football - maybe the next time there's a major game going on - you should go to a local sports pub and tell all the fans of both teams that they are special snowflakes who have no rights to complain about the state of the game, because they've never been footballers.

But please - let me know in advance - coz I want to be there to see you do it.

I've got £1000 that says you wouldn't.

We have a saying for this in the UK "all mouth and no trousers."

I used to think you were smart Sleut, and I never made it personal to you - you had a viewpoint, I was mostly on the other side, although we occasionally agreed.

You just made it personal.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

Wait a sec...the op has never played the game? Fer real?

Oookay...hmm...

please see my above post.

alternatively - stop voting - PLEASE because you've never been in politics, very probably have no clue, and are doing more harm than good with ill informed opinions.

Yeah - pick that paticular breadcrumb up and see where it leads - if you don't like that one, I have others.

Checkmate.

 

[Lucifera Danzig]

I don't have to take part in the game to know what's going on - there's a forum where I can read everything - the forum is the games version of a "newspaper" or CNN and is updated literally minute by minute of changes in the game and player reactions. I'm more informed about the game and the background than all of the players who play the game, but avoid the forums.

The forum represents a very small minority of people playing, and the only way this qualifies as a "newspaper" is if newspapers are composed entirely of opinion pieces that vehemently disagree with each other.

You have people complaining "engineering is too grindy."

You have other people complaining that "it's too easy now, and Frontier has devalued all my past work."

Both can't be right, now can they?

In the end, yes you can have any opinion you want about the game without playing it. But no, you can't expect any credibility for claiming you have a real feel for how the game plays if you don't play it.

 

[Flimley]

I bet yer fun at parties...I love it when grown men use big words ^

Antidisestablishmentarianism

Flimley

 

[Rafe Zetter]

You didn't pay for it though, you got a refund pre-release and have never played the game. Nobody owes you anything.

I'd give some thought to getting a new hobby if I were you.

err - no.

See what happens when people make assumptions, or misinterpret clearly written information - this is why my posts are so long, because ambiguity can be an issue - but it seems even when I'm very very clear - people still get it wrong.

I didn't get a refund pre-release at all - cite where I have said that if you think I'm lying.

Go back and do your "research" on my particular situation regarding the game again.

But you won't will you - you'll just mumble something unflattering under your breath and walk off, rather than have the courage to correct your previous statement.

It's this kind of "I'm not taking ownership of my mistakes - even when it's very clear I'm wrong" and lack of backbone behaviour that leads to people believing they can pretty much say whatever they want, even with absolutely no facts to back it up, who then get shirty when you challenge them on it.

I think that's pretty much where the special snowflakes came from. It's bizarre that we now have almost all human knowledge at our fingertips and yet the vast majority never bothers to utilize it.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

The forum represents a very small minority of people playing, and the only way this qualifies as a "newspaper" is if newspapers are composed entirely of opinion pieces that vehemently disagree with each other.

You have people complaining "engineering is too grindy."

You have other people complaining that "it's too easy now, and Frontier has devalued all my past work."

Both can't be right, now can they?

In the end, yes you can have any opinion you want about the game without playing it. But no, you can't expect any credibility for claiming you have a real feel for how the game plays if you don't play it.

I agree opinions vary but not everyone is wrong, as you say, and if you read BOTH sides, then "the truth will out" - but my sentiment was in regard to people saying that because I've only got a few hours in the alpha I'm not entitled to say anything about the game until I've logged a few hours in the release version to which my reply was that I've been reading about the game since alpha, which is far far more than a good portion of the people who've actually played the game.

By their definition only those with hours logged have a rightful say - and everyone else is to be ignored - and my point was that people can be well informed on a topic of discussion having never personally experienced a single iota of that topic.

There are whole sections of society who are experts in given fields who's sole basis for that expertise is books not personal experience - or should we dismiss all historians and every single student on earth students as liars now?

all human knowledge except what happened today is second hand.

think about that.

 

[PiggyPiggyPig]

Your free to talk about anything you please but your politician analogy is slightly off. People usually respect your views on politics if it has a direct affect on your life. A game you've never played however is like talking about the policies of a country that you do not belong and have no intention of ever visiting. We the players are that other country. The world is full of armchair experts and CNN is fake news.

 

[Stigbob]

err - no.

See what happens when people make assumptions, or misinterpret clearly written information - this is why my posts are so long, because ambiguity can be an issue - but it seems even when I'm very very clear - people still get it wrong.

I didn't get a refund pre-release at all - cite where I have said that if you think I'm lying.

Go back and do your "research" on my particular situation regarding the game again.

But you won't will you - you'll just mumble something unflattering under your breath and walk off, rather than have the courage to correct your previous statement.

It's this kind of "I'm not taking ownership of my mistakes - even when it's very clear I'm wrong" and lack of backbone behaviour that leads to people believing they can pretty much say whatever they want, even with absolutely no facts to back it up, who then get shirty when you challenge them on it.

I think that's pretty much where the special snowflakes came from. It's bizarre that we now have almost all human knowledge at our fingertips and yet the vast majority never bothers to utilize it.

To be honest the only thing funnier than you having got a refund and hung around for four years whining, is the possibility that you didn't get a refund and hung around for four years whining.

Edit : I found it

"Lack of atmospheric landings is also the basis for my refund case (backed during KS, not played since a few hours in alpha testing - still waiting for what I paid for before I do, UK selling laws don't ask me to explain) - FDev refused and actually used the words "it's coming"**, trading standards decided to take up the case for me - they don't do that unless they think there is a very real case to answer. Feel free to make up your own minds on how that reflects on FDev."

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6598428&viewfull=1#post6598428

Trading standards are not allowed to tell people that they're being strange and should go away.

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[verminstar]

alternatively - stop voting - PLEASE because you've never been in politics, very probably have no clue, and are doing more harm than good with ill informed opinions

Actually I was involved in politics some years ago...but as yer so quick to be judgemental it wouldnt make any difference explaining it to ye, so believe what ye wanna believe while I have a little giggle. Theres a name fer people who constantly jump to the wrong conclusions...just sayin ^

 

[Roybe]

Someone posted in another thread recently "The sense of entitlement around here is stinking the place out. I'm off."

When did the very real and human expectation to have delivered what's expected become a bad thing and the phrase "sense of entitlement" become a phrase synomymous with "asking or expecting for something you are neither justly due or deserving, EVEN IF YOU PAID FOR IT".

I'm obviously aware of the usage "sense of entitlement" when linked with "special snowflakes" - but now it seems as though no-one can tell the difference between "Justly entitled due" and "feeling entitled to something that is completely unrealistic".

Can someone explain this to me pretty please?

I'll bet there's been more than a few forum members who have thrown that particular "sense of entitlement" phrase around in anger, who have also requested refunds or other actions when what they have paid for has been sub-par.

It's getting as bad as "I'm offended by that" which has also become a catchall phrase - oddly enough, often employed by those same "special snowflakes" who seem to think that by using that phrase it will have an automatic reaction of the "offender" stopping what they are doing or saying just for them. Yes in same cases it's justified, in many others, not so much.

Is this the future fo the english language? Dumbed down to the lowest denominator of verbiage using just a handful of phrases to mean almost everything, because they lack the education or intelligence to use all the other ones that have been used by countless generations before them.

The english language used to be a beautiful thing, celebrated in works the world over - now it's so dull it's almost monosyllabic.

Ask the political right in the US....whose general legislative actions have been to 'keep 'em dumb, let 'em starve, let 'em die, and
keep 'em poor.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Wait a sec...the op has never played the game? Fer real?

Oookay...hmm...

He played a few hours during alpha then asked for a refund. Never played since beta, but has been hanging around the forums for half a decade complaining. This entire topic is about him not understanding why others call him weird. Its a stalemate: he will never understand, and noone will ever consider him normal.

 

[Arry]

I guess you didn't pay attention to my post about politics, sports or celebrity trash "news".

Lots of people complain about things they know very little facts about - look at brexit as the prime example.

However this isn't what's been happening here.

I don't have to take part in the game to know what's going on - there's a forum where I can read everything - the forum is the games version of a "newspaper" or CNN and is updated literally minute by minute of changes in the game and player reactions. I'm more informed about the game and the background than all of the players who play the game, but avoid the forums.

Twiddling a joystick and reading ingame pages and mission boards isn't going to add anything to that at all.

By your definition Sleut - every person who's NEVER taken part in politics, sports or had any major events happen to them is allowed to talk and / or complain that things aren't going to plan.

My father isn't a politician, but just an hour with him and you'll know he knows more about politics and the political landscapes of UK and the EU over the last 50 years than most current politicians - but by your definition he's not allowed to have any say because he's never actually taken part in politics.

Here's a thought and a challenge, if you personally think that people who've never been football managers for example should keep thier collective mouths shut about football - maybe the next time there's a major game going on - you should go to a local sports pub and tell all the fans of both teams that they are special snowflakes who have no rights to complain about the state of the game, because they've never been footballers.

But please - let me know in advance - coz I want to be there to see you do it.

I've got £1000 that says you wouldn't.

We have a saying for this in the UK "all mouth and no trousers."

I used to think you were smart Sleut, and I never made it personal to you - you had a viewpoint, I was mostly on the other side, although we occasionally agreed.

You just made it personal.

Well that escalated very quickly.

I stand by my last post and having read the whole thread, thought I would add this.

Just because you have seen or read, or even been told about something; it does not make you an expert, or even capable of doing it. You can understand politics or football. You can know all of the statistics, the history, the lead characters etc.. But that does not mean you can be a politician, footballer, or even a football manager. It is experience that counts, a personal involvement that makes the difference. Yes having the knowledge helps, if you wish to give something a go, but it is not enough.

This place is like a news paper: Sort of; if you take every news paper printed and lump them all together. There are no real editors here, no fact checkers, no legal people telling us what we can and cannot write. We have Mods, to keep us within the rules that F.D. set, but that is about it. Someone once said that there are as many opinions, as there are men and that is true with these forums. The closest we get in these forums to the facts; is when the community team members give us the facts. The rest is just hearsay and opinion and there is so much of it. With such a variety, that it would be hard for someone who does not play the game and see for themselves, what each part of the game entails. How each ship handle, how easy or hard each mission is, for them; or if, in their opinion, the grind is real.

So, yes we can all have an opinion and we can all voice that opinion. Whether that opinion is valid or not, is often dependent on how much real experience the individual has.

Which is why when watching an F1 broadcast by NBC or CNN and the commentators are normally talking about baseball or football (American), you might as well turn down the sound and shut up the drivel.

 

[6xes]

By their definition only those with hours logged have a rightful say - and everyone else is to be ignored - and my point was that people can be well informed on a topic of discussion having never personally experienced a single iota of that topic.

There are whole sections of society who are experts in given fields who's sole basis for that expertise is books not personal experience - or should we dismiss all historians and every single student on earth students as liars now?

all human knowledge except what happened today is second hand.

think about that.

Well said!!