General / Off-Topic What have they done to the Millennium Falcon????

This is consistent with the rest of the series, from the first one to the bazillion iterations to come: it's meh. The first ones were new, hence the excitement and their masterpieces status. The new ones are exactly the same content, but in the meantime, we grew up to be a tad more demanding and educated.....

Episode IV and V were supposedly children’s films but not really as Lucas was still an arthouse 'artist' at that period of his film career, and he had a lot of experienced hands-on help (his wife and other directors/producers).

So as a child watching them you felt it could 'be real' as there were pretty grown up in how they told their stories, from his aunt and uncle being murdered by the storm-troopers near the start of Star Wars all the way through to Vader revealing he was his father in Empire Strikes Back. The first two films are pure old-school sci-fi fantasy with a thread of dark topics in which 'good' tries to triumph over 'evil' and in a style of film production/story telling what was typical from that era of film production (the influence of Akira Kurosawa, Kubrick etc).

You can go back and enjoy these films entirely as an adult and not feel your being talked down too, or spoon fed poop and fart jokes to make them children's films.

Episode VI started to move in a different, less 'grown up' direction. The financial success of the franchise bringing it's own changes to the film. Spielberg famously introduced Lucas to the idea of 'aiming at children' to help maximise the profits from selling toys etc. We got the Ewoks, which did not need to be as cute as they were (and were meant to be Wookies in the original drafts), but was the first sign of that slip towards focusing Star Wars specifically at children. Most people agree it was the 'weakest' of the original trilogy, but i still think not a bad film at all.

Episodes I was pure crud, childish where ever possible, even if breaking any tension in the story. And it was clear that at this stage of his film making career (and as an extremely wealthy man) Lucas needed good people around him, as he had in the original trilogy, to get the best from his ideas. Sadly he was powerful enough now to not allow that to happen, and well the difference from the original trilogy to the second trilogy is painfully apparent. Episode I retains the unique title of being the only film i have actually fallen asleep in (briefly), not because i was tired, but because I was in a state of constantly waiting for things to pick up and get interesting, for the characters to become interesting, for the plot and story to remain interesting, and it just never did.

Episodes II and III were very much reactionary developed films, created to address the vocal criticism of Episode 1, but still full of all the same problems that came with Lucas at that stage; totally awful dialogue, greed over 'art' and over-reliance on fan-winks based on the much better original trilogy, and the desire to not let other people help shape his visions.

Episodes I-III are a mess, all over the place; from 'poop' jokes and Jar-Jar for 'the children' to mind numbing writing and story telling.

If anyone has not seen them i really recommend watching 'The People vs George Lucas' and any/all of the Redletter Media reviews on Episodes I-III. They pretty much nail the main problems.

I'd also recommend looking for the specific versions of the original trilogy that includes the original release versions as well as the later updated Lucas versions (Han shoots after Greedo and characters stepping in 'poop' stuff). There is only one version of this box set, so only one way to own the real original films on anything other than VHS.

As for the 'new' Star Wars, i never doubted it would not be just like the 'new' Star Trek; completely different to the source and 100% totally not getting what made the originals such great films. They have their fans, as do much of modern day movies, but they are just not actually Star Wars films any more, not for this fan. I just don't need them or want them in this form, they are totally uninteresting stories, badly told.

Looking around at most movies currently i just think we do not have a film production system that can allow anything other than low-brow, lowest common denominator, 'lite' stuff to get made, not in terms of films that have 'block buster' aspirations. So big famous franchises just disappear into the mire of 'instantly forgettable', rather than 'all time classic'. That is the price of 'progress' it seems? All i can do is not give them money to 'validate' their poor excuse for existence, the last thing i want is to encourage more of this trend.

RIP Star Wars (Star Trek etc). You will forever be remembered (in this household) for the incredible early episodes (and series), and the rest will be left to wither down the passage of time, a curious and undesirable shift in your journey of stand-out uniqueness.
 
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Definitely don't go for this sudden realisation that movies constitute a show 'business'. No matter how art house they have ALWAYS been about ticket sales and getting as many people into theatre or buying the merch as possible. It's just that probably in 1977 when I was 8, or as kids, we're too wide eyed to notice .. or care. Personally I still don't care. Was entertained by The Last Jedi personally and expect the same from Solo, as space-fantasy hokum plus Disney, seems more or less the perfect fit to me.

I realise there are lots of movie critics on the net (blame the 'making of' featurettes I reckon) but to me it spreads more like a wildfire loop of, 'well I hate it do you hate it I hated it too', itself driven by clickbaiting and back slapping than as any real critique of whether or not it was an objectively good episode.

I personally liked TLJ because (a) Rey has a war face (b) Vader never had the minerals to kill his Emperor but Ren smoked Snoke and (c) it's just a truth that Mark Hamill is not 40 years old, he's 66. I've read people saying he should have been more heroic, Jedi in his prime - as if bringing the Empire down in ROTJ wasn't heroic enough. If there had been other films meanwhile we might have seen a different Luke but we didn't, we saw a damaged one, but imo only through having no chance to be in an epside for 30 something years.

I thought Rogue One was pretty darned good even though it was still pretty goofy in places, Star Wars .. and 'modern film making' and for me it was interesting to see that you could get away with a SW film, with no Jedi in it (save one seriusly awesome scene at the end). Can these movies invent new iconic characters? Can lightning strike twice? I don't know it's all that easy to know which ones will resonate but probably, if someone invented Darth Vader today, the net would say 'Meh. Couldn't even see his face'.

It's true I 'intend' to enjoy Solo but that's because I'm not a pro critic, but a punter. If I'm buying a ticket, I intend to look for what's good in it. Otherwise .. no point.
 
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Saw TLJ yesterday. Hmm. it was a Star Wars themed Disney movie for the most part. :( x lots. Not wanting to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it so no details. So much wasn't right in the way it was done, quite disappointed and I could pick holes in it and be an armchair director for some time.... It got better towards the end but those were dark times, what's with all the tweeness. I will say the scene when that thing jumps into that other thing was one of the coolest scenes I have watched in any movie full stop. it was not epic. It should have been epic.
 
Saw TLJ yesterday. Hmm. it was a Star Wars themed Disney movie for the most part. :( x lots. Not wanting to spoil it for anyone who hasn't seen it so no details. So much wasn't right in the way it was done, quite disappointed and I could pick holes in it and be an armchair director for some time.... It got better towards the end but those were dark times, what's with all the tweeness. I will say the scene when that thing jumps into that other thing was one of the coolest scenes I have watched in any movie full stop. it was not epic. It should have been epic.

Nice. That thing jumping into thing .. was rather cool.

Didn't someone say, that if you don't think the Lord of the Rings isn't the most amazing book in the world, when you're ten, then there's something wrong with you. But if you think it's the most amazing in the world when you're 30, then there's something wrong with you?

:D

I can imagine TLJ being epic to ten years olds. Maybe I'm just too good at channeling that, for me own good. :rolleyes:

I like Marvel too!
 
Nice. That thing jumping into thing .. was rather cool.

Didn't someone say, that if you don't think the Lord of the Rings isn't the most amazing book in the world, when you're ten, then there's something wrong with you. But if you think it's the most amazing in the world when you're 30, then there's something wrong with you?

:D

I can imagine TLJ being epic to ten years olds. Maybe I'm just too good at channeling that, for me own good. :rolleyes:

I like Marvel too!

Yeah, I'll never again be 7 years old watching The Empire Strikes Back. I'm not expecting any Star Wars file to be able to recreate that kind of feeling (which is good because if I tried to build a lightsaber out of lego as soon as the film ended I would probably be sectioned, also i have no lego) but I know an epic film when I see one and enough about Star Wars to completely disagree with how they did some things. I watched TFA in the cinema with my nephews, one was 11 at the time and I enjoyed it more than he did but no, I wasn't 7 again.

There is nothing wrong with channelling your inner child sometimes, people who can't are far too sensible and probably wear beige most of the time. :)
 
Made it fun to watch again. The last three films are better then the previous three by a hundred fold. Someone should have taken the helm from George Lucas back BEFORE Phantom Menace.
Agree.

Disney Star Wars is not bad. I think it could be more gritty like the first movies, but it's still a lot better than Ep 1-3.
 
Yeah, I understand what you mean, by another movie from the Disney monopoly also directed by Ron Howard and his schmaltzy style. (what a shame LOTR:FOTR didn't win best picture)

Otherwise they're trying to pull off that this was the Falcon spanking new before it got all beat up and dirty from smuggling such as the original Star Wars overall worn and used look used to good effect then. So it would seem Star Wars , mostly non-imperial ships get all old and falling apart after just 10-15 years of use..

You ask "What have they done to the Millennium Falcon?" I ask "What the hell have they done to entire Star Wars franchise?!!" - been doing so since Force Awakens :D

I feel similarly just at looking at the production design of the "new" ships of the ST, it's not an impressive change; it felt like all the rest of the ships looked downgraded into junky designs. The star destroyers and the super star destroyer of the First Order actually look less menacing than the original ones. TIE-fighters now have some distracting red paint coloring.. The planet destroyer cruiser or whatever in the beginning looked like a joke from some parody movie with ugly swiveling vulnerable twig-looking cannons. The super star destroyer with its ship like bow in "Dark Empire" was far more foreboding and impressive.
 
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As someone who has played and owns the WEG edition of the Star Wars RPG (including Galaxy Guide 6: Tramp Freighters), of which Timothy Zhan basically used as source material for his extended universe canon all the way back with Heir to the Empire, I can only look at all this and smile...
 
It's true I 'intend' to enjoy Solo but that's because I'm not a pro critic, but a punter. If I'm buying a ticket, I intend to look for what's good in it. Otherwise .. no point.

As a film lover that really enjoys a good movie, i just can not encourage lazy and poor story telling so choose to not spend my money on throw away films. I feel at this stage in the movie industries history it is perhaps the only way i can effect change (the theory is that is others feel and act the same, the money making people in movies will notice).

It's a long shot, but at this stage (Obi Wan) really is my only hope for seeing better films made.
 
I recently read one of the new trilogies of books set in the ‘re-vamped’ Star Wars universe. Started off ok but for some reason it had a side story about Ja-ja-binks mixed into it. Why the heck would you write a series of books and include within it one of the most hated characters in Star Wars history?????? This series was obviously written to replace the outstanding Timothy zahn Heir to the Empire trilogy and as with the movies it fails miserably.
 
As long as yet another planet/system doesn't get destroyed by the latest death star variant, I'll be prepared to give it a shot.
 
"She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid. I've added some special modifications myself."

Solo says that a few decades later, I'm guessing the difference is pre and post tinkering.
 
"She may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid. I've added some special modifications myself."

Solo says that a few decades later, I'm guessing the difference is pre and post tinkering.

I'm pretty sure, that the looks of the Falcon are the least of the problems this movie will have.
 
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