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I can make the same assertion about your assessment. :) The key difference being that your position states that they're just like each other because they're popular. I'm saying, no, just because they were popular doesn't mean they're just like each other. And, I cite my reasons for why. I'm sorry if you don't except modern scholastic opinions, but most of us do, and they're better than a casual observation that they both were popular.

Not trying to be insulting here, just saying it how I see it. :)
 
I can make the same assertion about your assessment. :) The key difference being that your position states that they're just like each other because they're popular. I'm saying, no, just because they were popular doesn't mean they're just like each other. And, I cite my reasons for why. I'm sorry if you don't except modern scholastic opinions, but most of us do, and they're better than a casual observation that they both were popular.

Not trying to be insulting here, just saying it how I see it. :)

You may make an assertions you like (within the Terms and Conditions of Use of this site) but I see modern scholastic opinion as not being worth a pinch of........................... space dust; at least not in terms of anything that could be called popular culture in Shakeboy's day or in contemporary culture.

I'd be interested to know how many of the "scholastic fans" in this thread have qualifications at that level of education.
 
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[Voice="Obi Wan Kenobi'] These aren't the facts you're looking for. [waves hand] You can go about your business; move along. [/Voice]

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..........I'd say that nothing they tried to teach you in school really benefited you. Or anybody else, for that matter.

A voice of reason level post. I totally agree.

I'd be interested to know how many of the "scholastic fans" in this thread have qualifications at that level of education.

So; no cogent answer to this request which puts some numbers against people's understanding of the "scholastic" system.

That pretty well says all there needs to be said about some replies in this thread.
 

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Alonya, as a person who uses their Asperger's to justify a permanent state of unemployment, I'd say that nothing they tried to teach you in school really benefited you. Or anybody else, for that matter. Not sure why you feel the need to pick on the arts.

I refer to my aspergers because it's true. You may not like it, but the fact is, I was really badly targeted because of it.

Attitudes towards mental health sucks in the UK. You think I like being unemployed? You think I like the fact that I have to waste my days playing video games? I'll tell you why I do that. It is because people are so prejudiced against anything that isn't "normal", that not only do they say "no, you can't have a job", but they actively try to make your life worse. They spread rumours, provoke you into psychotic fits, and at best, only try to viciously wear you down until you give up.

I'm happy for you, with the construction company you say you own on your profile. Truly.

But with respect, this means you are simply not qualified to say what it's like to not only be born at the bottom, but have people aggressively keeping you there. Some even try to make you go lower. It is horrible, and I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you view the arts as a waste of time.

But for me, they are, as they will not get me out of this dump.
 
So; no cogent answer to this request which puts some numbers against people's understanding of the "scholastic" system.

That pretty well says all there needs to be said about some replies in this thread.

???

This appears to be nothing more to me than a shifting of the burden of proof...
 
This appears to be nothing more to me than a shifting of the burden of proof...

No; and you didn't answer the question.

I don't see it that way at all. I am looking for statistical significance. People are talking about "scholastic" systems so where are they in the system.

Does anyone in this thread have any relevant qualifications at all?
 
I refer to my aspergers because it's true. You may not like it, but the fact is, I was really badly targeted because of it.

Attitudes towards mental health sucks in the UK. You think I like being unemployed? You think I like the fact that I have to waste my days playing video games? I'll tell you why I do that. It is because people are so prejudiced against anything that isn't "normal", that not only do they say "no, you can't have a job", but they actively try to make your life worse. They spread rumours, provoke you into psychotic fits, and at best, only try to viciously wear you down until you give up.

I'm happy for you, with the construction company you say you own on your profile. Truly.

But with respect, this means you are simply not qualified to say what it's like to not only be born at the bottom, but have people aggressively keeping you there. Some even try to make you go lower. It is horrible, and I hope you never find yourself in a situation where you view the arts as a waste of time.

But for me, they are, as they will not get me out of this dump.

Other than an exercise in self pity, what does this have to do with my post?
 

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That surprises me, Alyona. I would think that you'd be particularly fond of some of his more tragic characters, especially Hamlet.

From memory...

To be, or not to be. That is the question.
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles and, by opposing, to end them?
To die... to sleep. No more.
And by a sleep to say we end the heartache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.
’tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
To die... to sleep.
To sleep, perchance to dream - ay, there’s the rub.
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause!
There’s the respect that makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time?
The oppressor’s wrong?
The proud man’s contumely?
The pangs of despised love?
The law’s delay?
The insolence of office and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make with a bare bodkin?
Who would fardels bear to grunt and sweat under a weary life?
But that the dread of something after death - the undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of!
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all
And thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought.
And enterprises of great pith and moment, with this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.

That stuff's right up your alley, bro.

A funny thing is how many people regard the people of antiquity as antiquated... simple... not on our level. Many would be surprised to find that those people were just like us, every bit of them... and that the things they had to say resonate directly in our own "superior" modern-day lives.
 
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That surprises me, Alyona. I would think that you'd be particularly fond of some of his more tragic characters, especially Hamlet.

From memory...

To be, or not to be. That is the question.
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles and, by opposing, to end them?
To die... to sleep. No more.
And by a sleep to say we end the heartache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.
’tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
To die... to sleep.
To sleep, perchance to dream - ay, there’s the rub.
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause!
There’s the respect that makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time?
The oppressor’s wrong?
The proud man’s contumely?
The pangs of despised love?
The law’s delay?
The insolence of office and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make with a bare bodkin?
Who would fardels bear to grunt and sweat under a weary life?
But that the dread of something after death - the undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of!
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all
And thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought.
And enterprises of great pith and moment, with this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.

That stuff's right up your alley, bro.

A funny thing is how many people regard the people of antiquity as antiquated... simple... not on our level. Many would be surprised to find that those people were just like us, every bit of them... and that the things they had to say resonate directly in our own "superior" modern-day lives.

Bravo, Vin. Bravo.
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While school was making us read the "classics", i was reading much more interesting and to my mind better literature. While we were discussing Hobson's choice, i was reading about the choices of Master Samwise.

Its why i ditched English Lit as soon as we got the option.
 
That surprises me, Alyona. I would think that you'd be particularly fond of some of his more tragic characters, especially Hamlet.

From memory...

To be, or not to be. That is the question.
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles and, by opposing, to end them?
To die... to sleep. No more.
And by a sleep to say we end the heartache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.
’tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
To die... to sleep.
To sleep, perchance to dream - ay, there’s the rub.
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause!
There’s the respect that makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time?
The oppressor’s wrong?
The proud man’s contumely?
The pangs of despised love?
The law’s delay?
The insolence of office and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make with a bare bodkin?
Who would fardels bear to grunt and sweat under a weary life?
But that the dread of something after death - the undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of!
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all
And thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought.
And enterprises of great pith and moment, with this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.

That stuff's right up your alley, bro.

A funny thing is how many people regard the people of antiquity as antiquated... simple... not on our level. Many would be surprised to find that those people were just like us, every bit of them... and that the things they had to say resonate directly in our own "superior" modern-day lives.

You looked that up..

To post or not to post that is the question

To tweet or not to tweet


Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate.
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date.
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimmed;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance, or nature’s changing course, untrimmed;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow’st,
Nor shall death brag thou wand’rest in his shade,
When in eternal lines to Time thou grow’st.
So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.
 
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Don't kick a dog up the bum when you've got your "Hand" in it's mouth.. (Did I do that right?)
 
Don't kick a dog up the bum when you've got your "Hand" in it's mouth.. (Did I do that right?)

That is certainly an interesting metaphor, though one that could prove physically quite challenging should someone decide to try it in real life. Unless you're a contortionist or the dog is really small. :D
 
I don't care about humanity. I wanted to learn a crummy skill and get a crummy job and get a crummy wage. I'm that simple.

I really, really don't care to indulge myself too much in the creatives. Frankly it just makes me jealous that I'm not creative.


I was 75 before I found out that I was creative and now make a few thousand a year( for charity)—- so don’t give up—- if you have the “bottle” make your own art but being a reader of your posts I think you have already found your “creativeness “
 
That surprises me, Alyona. I would think that you'd be particularly fond of some of his more tragic characters, especially Hamlet.

From memory...

To be, or not to be. That is the question.
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles and, by opposing, to end them?
To die... to sleep. No more.
And by a sleep to say we end the heartache and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to.
’tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
To die... to sleep.
To sleep, perchance to dream - ay, there’s the rub.
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come, when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause!
There’s the respect that makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time?
The oppressor’s wrong?
The proud man’s contumely?
The pangs of despised love?
The law’s delay?
The insolence of office and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make with a bare bodkin?
Who would fardels bear to grunt and sweat under a weary life?
But that the dread of something after death - the undiscovered country from whose bourn no traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of!
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all
And thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o’er with the pale cast of thought.
And enterprises of great pith and moment, with this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.

That stuff's right up your alley, bro.

A funny thing is how many people regard the people of antiquity as antiquated... simple... not on our level. Many would be surprised to find that those people were just like us, every bit of them... and that the things they had to say resonate directly in our own "superior" modern-day lives.
From memory...?

Don't kick a dog up the bum when you've got your "Hand" in it's mouth.. (Did I do that right?)
I understood it was 'wedding tackle'. :D
 
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