New Things in Pleiades Sector IR-W D1-55
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Seconded. Literally without you guys I'm not sure what Fdev would do most of the time.
I fully agree.
When I look at the Galmap right now -- is it possible that the Thargoids are planning a pincer attack? Coming round the center part of the bubble from both sides, cutting off Sol from the rest and exhibit full control on it with no need to attack Sol directly for the moment. Hmm...
Agree - I have a map that shows it quite well, but Canonn R&D are having some R&R at the moment, should be up tomorrow I hope.
Target found in Nankul - it's the Farragut in the Distress Call at Nankul 1 - TL point to it from both sides. Expecting something similar in Chan Mina.
Yes, there is a Farragut in the Distress Call next to Chan Mina 1 , link points to that.
Attacks map is up
https://map.canonn.technology/thargoid-attacks.htmlTo me shows the pincer movement which looks targeted on Sol. Also looks like when we defeat attacks this make the next attack move forward less - successful attacks jump further towards .... something
Interesting stuff , I'm in Deriv-Dar atm killing scouts, do I have to be killing them near Davy terminal to help stop them? Or does anywhere in that system count? (I hope the latter, as that's what I was doing last night).
, I'm in Deriv-Dar atm killing scouts, do I have to be killing them near Davy terminal to help stop them? Or does anywhere in that system count? (I hope the latter, as that's what I was doing last night).Interesting stuff
Anywhere in system should be good. Not sure if nearby systems also count, but I don't think there are any missions / NHSS, so it's a moot point
I'm in Deriv-Dar so that's fine , btw the canonn 3d map shows other systems nearby have at least had NHSSs, but I don't know how many of them were attacked systems in the 1st place.
, btw the canonn 3d map shows other systems nearby have at least had NHSSs, but I don't know how many of them were attacked systems in the 1st place.I'm in Deriv-Dar so that's fine
The map I linked only shows systems targeted by Thargoids, either for having Aegis Labs or being specified via Eagle Eye. Other systems will have NHSS due to Megaship massacre missions. And some may just have NHSS. Previously small areas of NHSS appeared around places like Bhal / 49 Arietis, may still be happening.
Attacks map is up
To me shows the pincer movement which looks targeted on Sol. Also looks like when we defeat attacks this make the next attack move forward less - successful attacks jump further towards .... something
Something else interesting on the map - more systems are targeted in the line / vicinity of the systems that have been defended than those that haven't.
Hypothesis - the level of defence we give systems is interpreted by the Thargoids as a measure of proximity to the areas of most importance to us.
Consider entering an insect nest, one could well expect the level of resistance to increase the closer you get to the queen and/or eggs/young. So, if you wanted to find one of those things but didn't know where it was, you could do it by following the path of highest resistance. Perhaps the Thargoids are doing something similar.
It would be a risky but it's a testable hypothesis. Conversely, if a strategy of defending the route to Sol is applied, and the hypothesis is correct, then the result of the strategy will ultimatey be to lead them to Sol
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Not sure I agree - seems to me that when a system is defended then the Thargoids try and take another nearby system - kinda like they need to keep supply lines open, so can't jump ahead without obtaining a supply base. So you see a bunch of systems on the Sol branch as we keep pushing them back. Last week they got a system there, so they move forward again.
On the other branch we keep losing, so they gain the supply base - and move further forward.
In both cases they're heading towards Sol (or somewhere else in that direction - might be heading through the bubble for all we know), just the one branch is being held back more. If we had 'let the bubble burn' as some want then they'd be closer to Alioth* than where they are.
* Alioth isn't a great reference, but something around that area - look at the map & squint
Well, if it was a land based thing with travel only in that dimension then I would totally agree with you!Not sure I agree - seems to me that when a system is defended then the Thargoids try and take another nearby system - kinda like they need to keep supply lines open, so can't jump ahead without obtaining a supply base. So you see a bunch of systems on the Sol branch as we keep pushing them back. Last week they got a system there, so they move forward again.
On the other branch we keep losing, so they gain the supply base - and move further forward.
In both cases they're heading towards Sol (or somewhere else in that direction - might be heading through the bubble for all we know), just the one branch is being held back more. If we had 'let the bubble burn' as some want then they'd be closer to Alioth* than where they are.
* Alioth isn't a great reference, but something around that area - look at the map & squint
I'm not sure if it can be applied to a scenario with extra-dimensional travel though. Possibly I guess, but are there any indications from after the attacks have happened to suggest they're then actively using those systems? Aren't they still just disabling stations rather than destroying them? Wouldn't you expect them to occupy a system if it was going to be a supply base?
Edit - just to be clear, those are genuine questions to get your view on, rather than rhetorical questions to try and push my point!
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Well, if it was a land based thing with travel only in that dimension then I would totally agree with you!
I'm not sure if it can be applied to a scenario with extra-dimensional travel though. Possibly I guess, but are there any indications from after the attacks have happened to suggest they're then actively using those systems? Aren't they still just disabling stations rather than destroying them? Wouldn't you expect them to occupy a system if it was going to be a supply base?
Edit - just to be clear, those are genuine questions to get your view on, rather than rhetorical questions to try and push my point!
Yeah - I see your points. Why would a race that can live in Wytchspace need supply lines? and why are those supply lines not anything more than in my head. I think the answer to both is:
FD is populated by humans, with a love of classical writing and old-school warfare. Since we know Thargoids can travel long distances in Wytchspace then why would they have an invasion at all?
Re; Actively using systems : Either FD haven't implemented anything for the supply lines. Or maybe they've been planting Barnacles.... or Thargoid Structures - and we haven't spotted them...
Re; Actively using systems : Either FD haven't implemented anything for the supply lines. Or maybe they've been planting Barnacles.... or Thargoid Structures - and we haven't spotted them...
We shall see - sometime maybe soon, if they are heading to Sol they are getting close...
I take your point with the answer, but as a counterpoint to that, haven't they also set out to make the Thargoids as alien as they can and not just re-skinned humans?
Let's see what we know from their history with the Guardians:
- Territorial
- Aggressive (unprovoked attack on Guardians)
- Plan ahead (by planing Barnacles)
sound like humans? Does to me.
and:
- Structures that might be spaceships
- Not sure if Thargoids are the same as their interceptors - are the interceptors alive?
- Biomachines (barnacles) for mining
- Ability to pull ships out of hyperspace
Sounds very alien. Not like humanity at all.
So my point is that some aspects of Thargoids can be very alien, while meta-concepts may be similar:
- species need resources.
- species need to protect those resources
- species want their own territory
But you may be right, it's all just hot air based on little - happy to listen to more theories that fit the facts we know - it's just that a lot of theories quickly go to 'and magic appears' - which is less interesting for me
Edit: Also happy to get critique on my theories, I'm sure there's holes.
Edit2: One hole: Sol has no Ammonia, so why would the Thargoids be heading there unless they have an understanding of human governmental structures. Maybe they're going somewhere else...
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Alliance Space has been the center of previous Anti-Thargoid activities. Nowadays the Alliance seem to be producing vast amounts of Anti-Thargoid tech... Also, the Alliance housed the "K"s. So, yeah I'd say Allioth is an excellent guess!Let's see what we know from their history with the Guardians:
- Territorial
- Aggressive (unprovoked attack on Guardians)
- Plan ahead (by planing Barnacles)
sound like humans? Does to me.
and:
- Structures that might be spaceships
- Not sure if Thargoids are the same as their interceptors - are the interceptors alive?
- Biomachines (barnacles) for mining
- Ability to pull ships out of hyperspace
Sounds very alien. Not like humanity at all.
So my point is that some aspects of Thargoids can be very alien, while meta-concepts may be similar:
- species need resources.
- species need to protect those resources
- species want their own territory
But you may be right, it's all just hot air based on little - happy to listen to more theories that fit the facts we know - it's just that a lot of theories quickly go to 'and magic appears' - which is less interesting for me
Edit: Also happy to get critique on my theories, I'm sure there's holes.
Edit2: One hole: Sol has no Ammonia, so why would the Thargoids be heading there unless they have an understanding of human governmental structures. Maybe they're going somewhere else...
Hmm. Lots of animals of different types are territorial, so personally I wouldn't say being territorial is a human characteristic. There was also a Galnet post a while back (An AEGIS report) saying that the Thargoids' concept of territory might differ significantly from our.
I think the Thargoids being aggressive with the Guardians is also debatable. I know what the logs say, but hear me out on this one... Were they being directly aggressive, or were they just responding to what quite possibly seemed to them like a hostile attack?
From the logs the Guardians had definitely occupied planets which were Thargoid. If they were just planets which the Thargoids had just picked on a star chart as theirs it would be one thing, but we know there were living Thargoid things on those planets. So that makes the Guardians' occupation of those planets appear a much more hostile act.
The level of perceived hostility could also step up drastically depending on how Barnacles fit in with the Thargoid civilisation.
So, from the logs we know that Barnacles are seeded in order to produce Meta-Alloys, and those Meta-Alloys are essential for creating Thargoid ships and Tech. We also know that the Thargoid tech is biomechanical so is living to some extent, which makes the ships living things. So if Meta-alloys are need for creating new ships, then we have a form of life-cycle - Barnacles are seeded -> Barnacles grow and produce Meta-Alloys - > Meta-Alloys are grown into ships -> (Ships continue to grow using Meta-Alloys?) -> Ships seed Barnacles.
Now, if that's correct, the actions of the Guardians would appear much more hostile as it effectively constitutes an effort to interrupt that life cycle. Similarly our actions are much more hostile than they appear to us.
Also, there's then a question of how ships (and consequently barnacles) are perceived by the Thargoid civilisation. Are they considered to be tools, or are they considered to actually be a type of Thargoid? If it's the former then it's one matter, but if the latter, then the perceived hostility of both the Guardian and our actions escalates hugely.
Tying back into the third bullet, does the seeding of Barnacles actually constitute planning ahead? Or is it an instinctive action as part of the ships' lifecycle? Animals on Earth can certainly do some pretty extreme things in preparation for reproduction but most would be difficult to constitute planning ahead.
Funnily enough I'd classify these as more human than the previous set of stuff. The reason being that most of these are to do with technology. If we had the tech to pull ship out of hyperspace I'm fairly sure we would do it. If we could develop biological machines that could extract resources and convert them more efficiently than conventional machines then I'm fairly sure we would do it too. Similarly if we could produce something like Meta-Alloys which we could grow into spaceships and huge city-scale structure/ships wouldn't we do it?
Agreed on the first two. I think the third one depends on what counts as territory. For example, territory could be seen as something to have in it's own right. Or it could simply be just an appearance of wanting territory that derives from the first two bullets. It might also be either a permanent thing or just temporary.
Yeah, same for me ultimately!But you may be right, it's all just hot air based on little - happy to listen to more theories that fit the facts we know - it's just that a lot of theories quickly go to 'and magic appears' - which is less interesting for me
Me too. Out of rep at the moment, so have some virtual +rep!
Yeah, although with the hypothesis I put forwards, it removes the need for them to understand our governmental structures as we'll naturally draw them to the places that are most important to us / have the capability to leverage the most defenses (which makes them power centres of some kind, whether government, monarchial, theocratical, military, hive-centre, whatever really). The Ammonia Worlds throw a hole in this as well though, as there's the question of if the Thargoids are doing what I hypothesised then why only target systems with Ammonia Worlds...
A thought - what if their current actions are just laying a trail?
Couldn't Saturn's moon Titan serve the Thargoids as an equivalent for an Ammonia world? It is cool and most of the nitrogen in the atmosphere stems from the Ammonia in its crust and it is large enough in size.