Goose4291
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Surely you can see the difference though between PvP between consenting players in a private group and an encounter in open?
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Surely you can see the difference though between PvP between consenting players in a private group and an encounter in open?
And what are you going to do with that cash, oh that's right - spend it, which causes more transactions that will impact everyone else.
So you do the same work, but get more cash, so you get more transactions, more influence - just because you picked a different mode to me?
And what is stopping someone taking a mission in open, doing it in PG / Solo, then handing it in when in Open for the bonus?
Loading open is also giving consent.
And as far as the game is concerned, there is no difference.
Goose4291
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I think it might have been when these threads still permeated throughout dangerous discussion.
To paraphrase, 'little napoleons' as you usually call them, can to extent control what facilities and goods are available at a station through UA Bombing and BGS/PP manipulation, which is what a lot of the big groups do.
Technically now with C&P, that can be extended a little bit now to actually limiting where you can and cant land if youve got a bounty or the ilk.
Flag to each mission/cargo transaction will do. They have some parameters as they are. As long as you start that transaction in Open, it will be "true". When you load anywhere but Open, it will become "false".
And this is not a baseless increase. It is a counterbalancing one.
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Goose4291
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So to be clear, there's no difference in your mind between going into a friendly pvp environment, and the one where for example, the gank squads operate?
Multiple people have stated repeatedly that even clicking Open means you "consent".
So... Open does need some counterbalancing, at least in monetary gains?
Goose4291
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.... to which people on the other side of the argument yell things like "I did not consent to being pirated in open. Ingame piracy is like RL sexual assault!" And other such nonsense.
It is the same as if you are killed by NPCs in Open, PG's and Solo... so where is the counter balancing... the only difference is what killed you.. yet both PVP and PVE ED has more of a cost for a death than WOW.
This is rather void. We are talking about exclusive enemy type, which is the most dangerous of them all.
I was not killed by NPC since forever. I lose my ships everyday to PvP factors.
Which is why Jockey and others campaigned for a notice on Open to warn people... "Hey.. you do realize PVP is here right.".
Now if you want to talk about non-consensual PVP... the occasional goldfish commander who lies and sneaks into PGs that are specifically stated as PVE for the express purpose of PVPing someone. Doesn't happen as much nor as high profile anymore, but occasionally still happens...
It isn't void, it is facts and game mechanics... the type of enemy makes no difference.
Cargo hold molestation.
Who said it was a friendly PvP environment?
He set that group up because he was the only one in our social circle who didn't like trading and wanted to shoot people not NPCs.
So he made a PG and tried to get us to play in it under "free for all PvP" rules. He knew where we were and how we were fitted, so he made his combat ship to gank us.
I left for Sag A, told him if he wanted to shoot me - he'd have to catch me.
No way his combat ship would keep up with my Asp
Now I call the PvP Hub a friendly PvP environment. But I also call CQC that as well.
Ah. But you lose durability on your gear in WoW if you die to PvE enemies.
Powderpanic
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The term you are looking for is the "dynamic and unexpected delivery of excited emergent content."
Ha "Goldfish", you guys really do follow your PG leader like a cult, don't you?
Powderpanic
The Voice of Griefing
Who is the PG leader?
All the popular PGs I know about don't have an actual leader.
Jockey
The King of forum PvP
So in WOW (which this isn't) PVE has more hardship then PVP... who cares... again THIS IS NOT WOW... nor is this EVE.. or any other game... Tis Elite Dangerous.
This is like going into Kentucky Fried Chicken and complaining they don't sell hamburgers because McDonald's sells them.
I think the phrase I used could have been 'little Napoleonic pillocks', otherwise I apologize for being boring.
And BGS/PP manipulation is what you've signed up for when you participate in BGS/PP. That is playing the BGS/PP game. And that's different from 'little Napoleonic pillocks' claiming a station or system and not allowing me, who is not interested in that crap and didn't sign up for it, entry in their station or system.
I always have hated UA bombing and have said so many times precisely because it impacts also those who didn't sign up for that stuff.
You do. It's your choice to be subjected to unwanted PvP.
You may not like it, but you did consent.
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