General / Off-Topic Warp drive PDF

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A lot of modern space novels are based on the Alcubierre Bubble theory.

Personally, I don't think FTL has so much to do with dimensions and bubbles. I think it has more to do with understanding gravity and inertia.

We are like fish who don't realize we live in the water.

Trillions of sub-atomic particles (like neutrinos) fly through us every second, and we really don't understand them that well.
 
The warp drive is something that would need a massive breakthrough and a shift in whole understanding of spacetime. In a thousand years? Maybe. What I fear is that according to Fermi, every civilization destroys itself before that point, because it's always weapons. New technology is usually developed as a weapon and only after that, other uses are considered.

Anyway, what I do believe will be possible in next few hundred years are CA/CD generation ships. Once we sort out the effectivity of propulsion (ion engines or a kugelblitz drive) we will be able to build a ship capable of accelerating at 1g up to a decent fraction of the speed of light (80-90%). Such ship would be able to cross the galaxy in about 30-40 years. Well within the lifetime of the crew. Naturally, from the Earth's perspective the journey would take 100.000 years, so no happyend there. :D
But this, unlike the Alcubiere drive, is something I would believe we are capable of on our current technological level. All except that damn propulsion is doable. :)
 
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A lot of modern space novels are based on the Alcubierre Bubble theory.

Personally, I don't think FTL has so much to do with dimensions and bubbles. I think it has more to do with understanding gravity and inertia.

We are like fish who don't realize we live in the water.

Trillions of sub-atomic particles (like neutrinos) fly through us every second, and we really don't understand them that well.

Well, if you are talking about gravity in this context you literally are talking about the curvature in 3D space with time added it becomes a 4D space-time membrane to control.
 
The warp drive is something that would need a massive breakthrough and a shift in whole understanding of spacetime. In a thousand years? Maybe. What I fear is that according to Fermi, every civilization destroys itself before that point, because it's always weapons. New technology is usually developed as a weapon and only after that, other uses are considered.

The Fermi Paradox doesn't have single answer, in reality we just don't know.

Anyway, what I do believe will be possible in next few hundred years are CA/CD generation ships. Once we sort out the effectivity of propulsion (ion engines or a kugelblitz drive) we will be able to build a ship capable of accelerating at 1g up to a decent fraction of the speed of light (80-90%). Such ship would be able to cross the galaxy in about 30-40 years. Well within the lifetime of the crew. Naturally, from the Earth's perspective the journey would take 100.000 years, so no happyend there.
But this, unlike the Alcubiere drive, is something I would believe we are capable of on our current technological level. All except that damn propulsion is doable.

Yep, the warp drive is incredibly theoretical and it is arguable whether it is plausible or not.
 
Yep, the warp drive is incredibly theoretical and it is arguable whether it is plausible or not.

Well, it has been mathematically proven and if history taught us anything it's that physics always catches up with maths in the end. :)
Another question (more practical one) is - can human body and human technology and materials ever evolve to actually survive such journey? I mean the simple fact that all light and generally electomagnetic waves such ship would travel though would be effectively a high-energy gamma rays is a big no-no. A colision with any particle is basically an infinite energy collision. Etc. Those kinds of problems could stop this from being viable option even IF we ever actually make the warp drive. :D

And then then there is the unsolved problem regarding the exit. If I remember correctly, exiting the warp bubble and effectively stopping the ship would also require infinite energy, according to the equations.

Problems... [big grin]
 
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Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
The warp drive is something that would need a massive breakthrough and a shift in whole understanding of spacetime. In a thousand years? Maybe. What I fear is that according to Fermi, every civilization destroys itself before that point, because it's always weapons. New technology is usually developed as a weapon and only after that, other uses are considered.

Anyway, what I do believe will be possible in next few hundred years are CA/CD generation ships. Once we sort out the effectivity of propulsion (ion engines or a kugelblitz drive) we will be able to build a ship capable of accelerating at 1g up to a decent fraction of the speed of light (80-90%). Such ship would be able to cross the galaxy in about 30-40 years. Well within the lifetime of the crew. Naturally, from the Earth's perspective the journey would take 100.000 years, so no happyend there. :D
But this, unlike the Alcubiere drive, is something I would believe we are capable of on our current technological level. All except that damn propulsion is doable. :)

Yes, we'll probably be at the point where such generation ships are actually feasible. Whether or not we as a civilization will actually construct one is another matter....

The Fermi Paradox doesn't have single answer, in reality we just don't know.

Which brings us to that. :) A rather depressing thought experiment to be sure. I certainly hope that intelligent life is present in our galaxy and that we will eventually encounter it. Certainly I hope that advanced civilization is not simply doomed to self-destruction! There could be other explanations for why ET hasn't been here already, heh.


Well hopefully we will discover the magic physics-bending warp/hyper/frame-shift drive soon so that I can get to exploring the cosmos like I've always dreamed of. :D

Well, it has been mathematically proven and if history taught us anything it's that physics always catches up with maths in the end. :)
Another question (more practical one) is - can human body and human technology and materials ever evolve to actually survive such journey? I mean the simple fact that all light and generally electomagnetic waves such ship would travel though would be effectively a high-energy gamma rays is a big no-no. A colision with any particle is basically an infinite energy collision. Etc. Those kinds of problems could stop this from being viable option even IF we ever actually make the warp drive. :D

And then then there is the unsolved problem regarding the exit. If I remember correctly, exiting the warp bubble and effectively stopping the ship would also require infinite energy, according to the equations.

Problems... [big grin]


Gah. Chris, you're such a downer!!! ;)
 
Well, it has been mathematically proven and if history taught us anything it's that physics always catches up with maths in the end. :)
Another question (more practical one) is - can human body and human technology and materials ever evolve to actually survive such journey? I mean the simple fact that all light and generally electomagnetic waves such ship would travel though would be effectively a high-energy gamma rays is a big no-no. A colision with any particle is basically an infinite energy collision. Etc. Those kinds of problems could stop this from being viable option even IF we ever actually make the warp drive. :D

And then then there is the unsolved problem regarding the exit. If I remember correctly, exiting the warp bubble and effectively stopping the ship would also require infinite energy, according to the equations.

Problems... [big grin]

Not all mathematical tools used in physics have real meaning, example, the Wormholes, white holes and some other quircks.

Other than that we need to see if negative mass matter exists.

IMO to even consider a Warp Drive we'll end up needing a QGT like String Theory as there are still many quircks of current QFT like the disparity between the theoretical value of the vacuum energy versus the observed value.
 
Not all mathematical tools used in physics have real meaning, example, the Wormholes, white holes and some other quircks.

Other than that we need to see if negative mass matter exists.

IMO to even consider a Warp Drive we'll end up needing a QGT like String Theory as there are still many quircks of current QFT like the disparity between the theoretical value of the vacuum energy versus the observed value.

Not to mention that for such spacetime manipulation we really need the quantum gravity incorporated into the rest of the physics. String theory might do that or it might not.
And yes, the vacuum energy. First we need to know what the 95% of the space is up to while our ordinary matter just sits here like a plum. :D
 
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Not to mention that for such spacetime manipulation we really need the quantum gravity incorporated into the rest of the physics. String theory might do that or it might not.
And yes, the vacuum energy. First we need to know what the 95% of the space is up to while our ordinary matter just sits here like a plum. :D

I've no hopes of seeing it in action but I'll be happy if we at least get fusion propelled rockets.
 
Yes, we'll probably be at the point where such generation ships are actually feasible. Whether or not we as a civilization will actually construct one is another matter....

.......... whether there's a civilisation left on this rock capable of constructing one is a bigger problem, at the moment
 
I wonder what things the anti-science crowd will be claiming is fake when warp drives can be made. Or maybe they'll just lead us to a new dark age before that happens...yeah, that's much more likely. :)
 

Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Hah. Optimist. We're not even waddling. :D

.......... whether there's a civilisation left on this rock capable of constructing one is a bigger problem, at the moment

You guys make me have a sad.

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