Sterling MH
Banned
Powerplay should not be made Open-only. Here's why... [EDITED]
- Thread starter Genar-Hofoen
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Indeed. The initial decision to make it persistent across all modes and that the singular BGS was a non-starter, was discusssed at length at the time.
Can't say people didn't tell them so. Yet here we all are.
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dude, you're already getting the quotes all wrong ...
please stop the moment you start hitting the keyboard with your face ...
Really? Then why is it being proposed by the developers?
Also, could you please stop snipping my quotes. I know you like doing it in MMO games but draw the line somewhere, eh?
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first step is the hardest one.
Sterling MH
Banned
Uh, do you do that often enough yourself that you think this a likely scenario???
It should be open only from the beginning. Just like any players wanting to have bgs influence - open only. PP is basically a pvp faction warfare and if someone is screaming "all modes equal, I want pp in solo" then let me asky you - how is it equal if some people are playing with risks of pvp combat and other are just behind the "solo" curtain with almost no risk at all. Complete nonsense. Just like with npc AI update in 2.1 (was it 2.1 or 2.2?) where npcs could do some damage. Forums exploded because "npc killed me omg"... So what the hell do you people want? No challange with pve and no challange with pvp... just going solo with typical pvp mode and no real npc threat? Are you f... serious? That's insane. When I see these threads I think it's this community that kills the game.
The irony in saying indirect powerplay is fine, whilst directly quoting people to argue the point, with an assumed right of reply.
A bit like Sandy's proposed changes that are of course completely wrong. Ah well. Maybe fdev can try again next year?
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in open?
No doubt, the change if it one fine day in the far future comes, it'll take some time be sure, is fine for me - an Open only PP player, sometimes PvPer. Come play in Open, nothing will change, your just not alone anymore, in most part fun.
The modular single shared game over all modes was a mistake. Because, Frontier decided, right from the start to include PvP in only one of them; Not just CooP multiplayer. It appears, they don't drop PvP. What eventually is starting here is the decoupling of the modes. Most likely. I played other games, changing for the worse for me, which I abandoned over time.
Try Open, who knows? You may even like it!
Cheers
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Delaying the delivery of merits is the core mechanic of preventing hostile progress as everything is limited by the weekly time trigger. It does make a huge difference if a system has 13.000 or 17.000 merits of undermining points after a day.
Also, it is possible to guarantee a kill using certain laodouts such as bombers.
Check out this funny video I made where I use a stealth bomber lance to kill one big ship after another, causing high rebuy costs and (in theory) merit losses each time they blow up.
[video=youtube;-iCBCXGoO9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iCBCXGoO9E[/video]
I doubt that I hardly meet another player in Open, especially in hotspots and strategic points such as expansion systems, HQs and high income PP systems, you tend to see alot of players hauling fortification goods or carrying large amounts of merits.
I always find it strange, but yet see it a lot on here, where it's always "them & us". I want it, no I want it, I want it cause they have it, etc. etc. - Has no one turned around and said "We all want it! It's not fair to take something away from one group BUT it's also not fair that A effects B's play" then tell FDev as one... WE WOULD LIKE OPEN AND SOLO SEPERATE BUT EQUAL! Jebus! and I'm not even a Marxist! 
Fdev, get your wallet out, 2 peer to peer's please, hold the nuts and choc sprinkles!
Fdev, get your wallet out, 2 peer to peer's please, hold the nuts and choc sprinkles!
No, it was fun.
A truly reminiscent experience of the days, when it was not required to have to share my sociopathy, with anyone I didn't have to "deal with".
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Oh wow that burn. Crikey.
Sterling MH
Banned
Because people complained that it was crap. I didn't think it was crap so I didn't complain at FD that it wasn't crap. Confirmation bias. It's a real thing.
And yes, really. It works fine. I have no problems with PP as it is. It certainly works better than if they make it open only cos not playing it is the result.
It works fine. Want proof? Ask me, "Is PP a mess?" and I'll say "No, it's fine".
Players who only grind the modules have no interest in PP and the system and will not participate in any meaningful ways anyways. Hence we have the closest-system-overforitifcation triggers for each power as it's the fastest way to grind the required merits.
That said, this can be done in Open too and has less to no risk.
Players who support a power long term, however, are not primarily interested in the PP specific module, but in the success of said power, meaning he/she will stay loyal for a longer period of time and contributing to strategic goals of the power.
The first group is excluded fro mthis discussion as they do not play any meaningful role. If you only want a specific module from that power, you don't even have the problem to get hunted by PvPers as you are no strategic target and thus, open is perfectly safe.
The second group of players, however, should be visible to hostile forces as their loss is their enemy's reward and by all means far more effective than NPC farming.
Sterling MH
Banned
Actually I don't mind that so much. But in this case, it's "I don't like you playing it that way, so I want it removed so you can't".
I loathe daytime soaps. But I don't then storm up to the BBC and demand they put educational programs on because I think it's better for the people at home. This isn't about "I want PP", it's about PvPers saying "I don't want PvEers having PP".
And THAT is a different kettle of fish.
As long as the main ingredient for winning a fight in open is not skill but using a target lock breaking Plasma FdL or FAS, this discussion is lacking reality.
I don't do meta builds as I consider them boring. Asking myself, how using such would feel, I setup a "90% engineered" FdL for testing purposes and did some mock fights against non meta ships.
The outcome was ridiculous. Not by skill, but by weapon system used.
There will be no step toward "more open" until the target lock breaker plasma pain is cured.
I don't do meta builds as I consider them boring. Asking myself, how using such would feel, I setup a "90% engineered" FdL for testing purposes and did some mock fights against non meta ships.
The outcome was ridiculous. Not by skill, but by weapon system used.
There will be no step toward "more open" until the target lock breaker plasma pain is cured.
Sterling MH
Banned
Haaaannnnngggg on. Weren't you the one elsewhere saying that it was ore effective to take out a player carrying 5000 merits than going round swatting for NPC kill merits? You never mentioned the expected payoff, insinuating that the PC kill was a sure thing there.
Yet here you are saying it's so unlikely to happen it can be ignored???
Someone is lying here. CQC battle between you to find out which one.