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Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood
Writing this in the middle of a fairly hard barbell complex workout.

My head is quite clear, which is unprecedented. Normally, these high intensity weight workouts demolish my blood sugar by 30-40 points, and that gives me foggyness and leads to a blackout if I don't slow down.

The peculiar thing this time is this: my last meal/drink was yesterday, 20 hours ago. Did a one hour cardio session 4 hours aback.
Normally that should give me the same hypoglycaemia - which ought to crash to blackout levels now, but I think I'm in ketosis. My breath has an acetone odour under heavy exertion.

At the moment, I'm able to break through previous limits on speed and reps per round in the complex, and feel fine. [woah]

This is the 4th day of the once a day meal thing, and the first three were uncomfortably hard. I couldn't get simple math done in the grocery yesterday. Not enough brain sugar.
According to the literature, this is typical. It takes some days to wipe out all the liver glycogen stores and switch over to fat metabolism.
 

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I need a shot in the arm to start exercising again. I have been nigh sedentary for six months now.

A shame after having done so well.
 

Vasco Sapien

Vasco Sapien
There is a lot of evidence to suggest that controlled fasting is generally a good thing for your body and contributes towards general fitness.
When your body is low on Calories and starts to burn stored fats you will experiance Fasting Euphoria. Maybe this Eurphoria is blocking the pain?
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
For my part there is almost 20 years that I eat only one meal by day

And I have a very healthy globally
 
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znôrt

znôrt
i only fast before a trip, 12 hours max. for the absorption.

eat healthy and with moderation, exercise regularly, and you won't accumulate excess fat and won't need to get into this crazy stuff.

of course if you're doing it just for fun then ... have fun! :D
 

znôrt

znôrt
Patrick_68000 said:
For my part there is almost 20 years that I eat only one meal by day

And I have a very healthy globally
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not sure but i think you and me are older than these blokes, patrick. they are young and lift weights until exhaustion, it's normal they need some extra intake. :)

i do excercise a lot but all my movements are geared towards actual efficiency, i.e. lowest possible energy consumption for the 'work' done (i guess that comes with age, both because it makes total sense and because hormone levels drop). me too, i only eat roughly one meal a day, just split in several servings across the day.
 

[VR] Deggial

[VR] Deggial
Honestly I find it interesting that you are able to fast and reach ketosis with a one full meal per day.

I do fast once a year since ... gosh almost 30 years now.
(Usually 2 weeks; I did it for 3 weeks once, but will not try again ...)

I stop eating completel though, just clear veggies soupes, diluted fruit juices, tea and water.
As you experienced, the first two days are the worst. That's why I start at a Saturday and "enjoy" a calm week end.
After that, things get really great. And no hunger at all, as the empty stomach simply "shuts off" due to the lack of work and therefore stops to send hunger signals.
How does this turn out with a meal per day? I assume the hunger never stops?

Yes, the head clearness is a thing and I enjoy it quite a bit.
I work in a creative job and always found my creativity boosted during my fasting periods.
When I was younger, I did the full sports program (including martial arts) during my fasting and even nowadays I continue my usual fitness studio program.

One thing I differently during my fasting time: I switch from heavy weights to lighter ones but with more repetitions. In my experience, maximal power goes down while fasting, but stamina is increased. I used to switch in pure "cardio days" as well.
However, this is only noticeable after several days of fasting; with just 4 days passed, you won't find any reduction in your power. (And I really don't know, how your full meal will influence your experience. Maybe your power will never drop like mine does while "totally" fasting.)

One recommendation: Keep an eye on your electrolytes, especially when training during fasting!
In the past, I didn't always do this and experienced weird heart issues in my second week (lying in the bed at night, the heart pounding quick, really uneasy feelings.)
After salting my veggie soupes way more than before, my fasting weeks went easy as cake-eating (if this makes sense in a fasting context ... :D )
But again, I guess this isn't an issue in your case, as you eat anyway and your electrolyte levels should be covered.

Good luck with your endeavor and have fun!
 

znôrt

znôrt
Deggial said:
I did the full sports program (including martial arts) during my fasting and even nowadays I continue my usual fitness studio program.
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mmm, martial arts are not technically a 'sport' :)

btw, you do know there are several martial art disciplines you can follow regardless of age, right? lots of them, actually, and probably the most effective of them ...

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and experienced weird heart issues in my second week (lying in the bed at night, the heart pounding quick, really uneasy feelings.)
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as i said ... crazy stuff!
 

[VR] Deggial

[VR] Deggial
znôrt said:
mmm, martial arts are not technically a 'sport' :)
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Well, the physical part certainly is. I remember my younger me, standing at the position covered in sweat, hefty breathing, exhausted from row after row of punches and kicks ... it felt quite sporty ;)

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btw, you do know there are several martial art disciplines you can follow regardless of age, right? lots of them, actually, and probably the most effective of them ...
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You are right, of course.
But life changes, injuries accumulate and work obligations make it difficult to take part in regularly timed group activities. A fitness studio with its individual training times is just so much more convenient.

I certainly miss it at times. (And I couldn't convince me to get rid of my gi for good, even 20 years after I I did wear it the last time ... a bit silly, I know. But you don't throw away 14 years of your life easily.)
Way off topic now, though.
 
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znôrt

znôrt
Deggial said:
I remember my younger me, standing at the position covered in sweat, hefty breathing, exhausted from row after row of punches and kicks ... it felt quite sporty ;)
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haha! yes indeed. that's one of the reasons we send youngsters to the dojo, so they can wear off a bit. but then they learn! :D which is not my case, don't get me wrong, i do what i can :eek:. i always end up in sweat regardless and controlling my breathing is part of the whole thing.

Deggial said:
But life changes, injuries accumulate and work obligations make it difficult to take part in regularly timed group activities. A fitness studio with its individual training times is just so much more convenient.
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doesn't even compare, man! i sincerely hope i waked up the worm in you :)

Deggial said:
I certainly miss it at times.
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yes you do! go ahead! [haha]
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
znôrt said:
not sure but i think you and me are older than these blokes, patrick. they are young and lift weights until exhaustion, it's normal they need some extra intake. :)

i do excercise a lot but all my movements are geared towards actual efficiency, i.e. lowest possible energy consumption for the 'work' done (i guess that comes with age, both because it makes total sense and because hormone levels drop). me too, i only eat roughly one meal a day, just split in several servings across the day.
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yes, I agree with you

However, I swim 11 kilometers a week and do of intense walking in the mountains, approximately 40-50 kilometers a week

I make a real meal a day and also sugar during the day (fruits and syrup of strawberry)

Before, I ate pastas with some bread twice a week :p

I had the impression to be invades by one thick paste inside me

I would not be a good Italian for sure :D
 
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Iori

Iori
I'm eating snacks all the time, no exercise other than some walks, and for some reason, I don't get fat.

What is this sorcery?
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Iori said:
I'm eating snacks all the time, no exercise other than some walks, and for some reason, I don't get fat.

What is this sorcery?
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Morphology, hereditary genetics, hyperactive metabolism, stress and anxiety, medical problems, smoking ...

Many reasons
 

Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood
Iori said:
I'm eating snacks all the time, no exercise other than some walks, and for some reason, I don't get fat.

What is this sorcery?
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Hyperthyroidism, metastatic carcinoma, liver amoebiasis, intestinal parasites, malabsorbtion syndrome, HIV, decompensated cardiac failure with cachexia, fasting conjoined twin, calcineurinoma, anabolic hormone exposure, Sertoli-Leydig adenoma, undiagnosed type I diabetes, pregnancy, asthma treated with Fenoterol, rapidly growing teratoma, benign renal tumor, metformin abuse, alcoholism...

Never ask a doctor. I could fill up the page off the top of my head.
 
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