The Size Issue, and others

[Dinoken]

trex was the fat bulky robust boy 25km/h

giga was the more agile fragile speedier one estimated speed of 50km/h which is absolutely insane for an animal this size.

Okay - that is just insane. NO way is Giganotosaurus twice as fast as a Tyrannosaurus rex.

It is funny how you quote the lowest maximum speed estimates for T.rex, yet quote the highest maximum speed estimates for Giganotosaurus.

Fact is - Giganotosaurus is built for hunting sauropods - which are some of the slowest moving dinosaurs ever. In addition it has relatively short lower legs, and no real adaptions for running.

T.rex on the other hand likely hunted Hadrosaurs, and ceratopsians which tend to be a bit swifter moving prey. And it was descended from fairly fast running ancestors.

The fastest speed attributed to a carcharodontosaur - was based on tracks believed to be from juvenile Acrocanthosaurus(maybe one ton) - with a speed estimated at about 40 kph/25 mph. A fully grown 7-8 ton Giganotosaurus likely wouldn't be capable of more than 24-25 kph/15 mph.

Meanwhile - A juvenile T.rex (assuming Nanotyrannus is actually a juvenile T.rex) has been estimated to be capable of running about 55 kph/34 mph. A 7-8 ton adult T.rex was most likely capable 29-36 kph/18-22 mph as a maximum speed.

I have serious doubts that any theropod over 5 tons would be capable of running more than 45 kph/28 mph.

 

[micryda]

i just came from the jwfk movie and well maybe its just me but rexy is not near the size she is in jwe

 

[kjasnksir]

i just came from the jwfk movie and well maybe its just me but rexy is not near the size she is in jwe

I think every dinosaur is somewhat oversized in the game. The Struthiomimus for instance is supposed to be about as tal as a person. Yet it seems much taller than that in the game. They all look sort of gigantic when near a viewing platform. At least to me.

 

[Dinoken]

i just came from the jwfk movie and well maybe its just me but rexy is not near the size she is in jwe

Well - as we have already pointed out - the T.rex from JWE - is listed at 14 meters/46 feet long, and weighing about 18 tons.

And Rexy's Jurassic World stats put her at 13.4 meters/44 feet long, about 5.2 meters/17 feet tall, weighing about 9-10 tons.

While that is only a 0.6 meter/2 feet difference in length, it is at least an 80% increase of the weight. This is why many of us are calling for the JWE stats for T.rex to be scaled by to at least Rexy's JW stats.

 

[paleostudent]

Are people really trying to defend Tyrannosaurus being the largest theropod in the game with "well in real life size variations between individuals blah blah"? How about they just follow WHAT IS IN THE BLOODY FILMS? For God's sake, it really is that simple, Rex doesn't become awful and boring just because it's not the absolute biggest meat-eater on land.

Im not defending anything at all i donrt care how big it is ingame since it gaves me nothing to the gameplay that is fun its totally pointless they are just fine. Im saying that people belive false informations about giga beeing bigger then a tyrannosaurus which is false.

 

[paleostudent]

We have shown you and you dismiss it all as "made up internet lies". You're really sounding like a raging Rex fanboy.

Well after that reply please never reply to me ever again thank you. Either way you have read what i have said with the facts or not its that simple.(if rex would be 2 meter i wouldnt care my friend,its an extinct animal why would i care of how big it was? it doesnt even make sense) Just spreading false informations is wrong.

 

[paleostudent]

I guess it all depends on which estimates for the Giganotosaurus holotype - he's relying on.

For example - IF it is 12.2 meters/40 feet - that would be about 10 cm shorter than Scott Hartman's estimate for Sue. As I recall - Scott Hartman's estimate for the Giganotosaurus holotype is about 12.4 meters/40.7 feet long, or about 10 cm longer than his estimate for Sue.

Personally - I think it better to quote the comparison figures - from the same source - when ever possible - that way you get a better comparison.

Okay now i see you clearly dont know how size is determined its the weight ! Watch that Sekeltons from above scott hartmann did it also the rex is much more wider as i said inpreviuos post ´´fat´´ in comparison. And as isaid yes there is a jaw fragment of agiga that could lead to a sepcimen with 13m BUT Scott said that can be very false alos they the giga could be the same size as the holotype just with more dense bone structure simple as that,not to mention we have a fragment of a trex that is even way larger estimated then the giga with the huge jaw fragment.

So to make it clearly yes the giga is 10cm longer but weight much less is much narrower and its all in all the smaller animal. Thats what im saying. Size is detemined through weight. So in fact trex is still the biggest carnivourus dinsoaur to date nothing has changed. Spinosaurus might be bigger but we have absolutely nothing from that animal since the holotype got destroyes in ww2 and it was only a small jaw fragment ans sail bones you can look up the fotos.

we have no tail,legbones or whatever thats why we have so much speculation of it being bipedal or quadrupedal.

BUT there are thousand of spinosaurus teeth fossils every year from marocco i own one you can buy them really cheap since they are not much worth unless you buy one with a higher quality. But through that we know it must have lived close water.

 

[paleostudent]

Yeah everywhere I look on the internet GIganotosaurus is stated as the slightly bigger not heavier but slight longer as it’s stated to be 45ft long, , I’m happy to have them be both the same size but I asked you to prove it... and you asked me to search the Internet well I have... and that’s what I’ve come back with...

-Bigger equals in weight ! And lets say if you have both animals in front of you in flesh and bone living you would clearly say that the trex is bigger even if the giganoto is longer(its not really we have no full giga yet while we have a dozen of rexes and and as you can see its only 10cm longer ESTIMATED. then Sue) But its much less in weight and much narrower maybe i post the picture of the skeletons from above so you can get a better understanding why the trex is overall the bigger animal.

Its the fault of hype paloes (false paleos) they find something new they hype it with stuff like well its probbaly bigger then the well knwon tyrannosaurus by quite a bit or something AND there you go attention) and this will lead for that nonsesne you can see everywhere in the internet. Dont beliee anything unless you see trustworth data ! Best example spinosaurus we dont know how big how much weight we really know almost nothing about it yet they say uts the biggest carnivourrus dino ever ! You see? Its false to say that because we clearly dont have any evidence at all. But its interesting and im hoping we find one day a well preserved spinosaurus. They found a baby spino not to long ago. but we need an adult which are much rarer since most dinos never made it to adulthood.

 

[paleostudent]

So within this post we have proven that Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus Rex are roughly the same length and hight? But T-Rex is more bulky... something I’ve been saying for how many posts now?

So again I will say the should be the same size within the game, all they have to do it shrink the model of the T-Rex a little and expand the Giganotosaurus up to the same length/ hight and you will notice the T-Rex will remain more heavily set and thus it will look much better...

I have no idea what they where thinking when it states in the InGen database that the Giganotosaurus is the same size as Tyrannosaurus, and they they have Ian Malcolm say when you hatch your first Giga “there’s a limit to size, and the Giga pushes that limit” or words to that effect then this tiny Giga comes running out.. it’s stupid and pathetic and so underwhelming.

Now before you say well the T-Rex is so big because it’s an InGen T-Rex or something along those lines don’t because it is almost twice the size of Rexy, and in a way your excusing the developers for misinformation and corrupting the image of dinosaurs for every Dino fan out there...

I must also add that whilst I’m not against the idea of the dinosaurs being exaggerated on screen, where I only have to see them for x amount of seconds or minutes I am against them being exaggerated in a form where I have to see it constantly, I think the games require a sweet spot for these exaggerated dinos (Ceratosaurus) to be somewhere between the real life 7ft length and the 9ft film length not exaggerate it even more and make nearly 11ft because now they gave themselves next to no breathing room for other dinos...

Yes in lenght they are the same but trex is heavier and much wider and that determines it the bigger animal per definiton. So its false to say that the giga was a bigger animal. Same lenght doesnt make them same big. Maybe i should have explained that better.

 

[paleostudent]

Okay - that is just insane. NO way is Giganotosaurus twice as fast as a Tyrannosaurus rex.

It is funny how you quote the lowest maximum speed estimates for T.rex, yet quote the highest maximum speed estimates for Giganotosaurus.

Fact is - Giganotosaurus is built for hunting sauropods - which are some of the slowest moving dinosaurs ever. In addition it has relatively short lower legs, and no real adaptions for running.

T.rex on the other hand likely hunted Hadrosaurs, and ceratopsians which tend to be a bit swifter moving prey. And it was descended from fairly fast running ancestors.

The fastest speed attributed to a carcharodontosaur - was based on tracks believed to be from juvenile Acrocanthosaurus(maybe one ton) - with a speed estimated at about 40 kph/25 mph. A fully grown 7-8 ton Giganotosaurus likely wouldn't be capable of more than 24-25 kph/15 mph.

Meanwhile - A juvenile T.rex (assuming Nanotyrannus is actually a juvenile T.rex) has been estimated to be capable of running about 55 kph/34 mph. A 7-8 ton adult T.rex was most likely capable 29-36 kph/18-22 mph as a maximum speed.

I have serious doubts that any theropod over 5 tons would be capable of running more than 45 kph/28 mph.

Ehm but its true and you did know the trex couldnt really run right? We dont have to argue that look it up. Trex was slow fat and bulky but it has very good endurance look at the femur its build for long distances not for speed. If you dont know that we dont have to discuss that any further. Just look at the shin bone (hope thats correct in english?!? of fast dinsoaurs like raptors and allosaurus or whatever light bild carnviores then you see how a fast animal is build. The rex is clearly not!! It was a massive bulky animal it would have broken its bones if it started to running.

The giga is like a huge allosaurus(carnosaurus) closely related to carcharadaontosaurus.


Dude use km/h like the rest of the world i have no clue what you are saying.
Oh really where do you know that the giga was a sauropod hunter?(we only have 1 giga skeleton at 70% completion roughly yet aaround 50 trexes very well preserved and even a lot more that are not published YET.) show me the facts?. My knowledge about dinosaurs exceeds yours by far im probably longer involved with it then you are living.

Yes juveniles tyrannosauruses were pretty fast but the older they got the slower and bulkier, simply ontogeny.

Trex probably never hunted as you believe wehn it was adult it was big enough to only hunt juveniles thatw ere much slower or simply scavenging and stealing like hyenas of today because most preadatos are scavengers too and oppurtunists. And the brain of the trex and smell cleary states that.

And why juveniles because dinosaurs produced like CRAZY the grew very FAST really very very fast. Herbivores prefered quantity over quality. So you imagine the landscape was flooded with juvenile dinosaurus which were food for the adult trex. Why would you hunt adults that can defend themselfes when there is easy prey in mass? If you get injured it often means the death for the predator. I can assure you an adult rex only attacked adults if it needed to be or when it was desperated for food.


Giga well we know not much we know the brain was much smaller then from the rex (trex in fact is one of the most evolved dinosaurs) and its estimated that it hunted maybe in packs and juvenile sauropods because like i said there were dozens of them. Since sauropods layed hundreds of eggs and leaved them alone, so clearly a lot of the hundred will die before they hatch due to mammals,weather,carnivores or whatever then they are hatching and 1 out of 10 made it to /subadult/adulthood if at all.

You are the clear proof of what i say the whole time we dont know much about giganotosaurus carolinii yet you came up with sauropods hunter fact nonsense because you heard that or read and believed it instantly because you like the animal thats not how it works.

 

[OkapiJohn]

I think every dinosaur is somewhat oversized in the game. The Struthiomimus for instance is supposed to be about as tal as a person. Yet it seems much taller than that in the game. They all look sort of gigantic when near a viewing platform. At least to me.

Except for Sauropods, They look a bit small in my opinion compared with the other dinosaurs. But maybe it is because all the other are oversized.

 

[Shadowear1991]

Yes in lenght they are the same but trex is heavier and much wider and that determines it the bigger animal per definiton. So its false to say that the giga was a bigger animal. Same lenght doesnt make them same big. Maybe i should have explained that better.

Yes I understand the difference between biggest and length... we’re talking Annacondas and Reticulated pythons, but just cos I understand the term biggest doesn’t mean every one does haha

I think you need to choose terminology better so we can call them the same size, but Tyrannosaurus is the heavier dinosaur. Rather than sayin biggest because although big and heavy are synonymous people take that as you saying it’s longer taller, wether theorised correctly or not, right now it is believed they are the same size, and there are still theories stating Giga could be taller and longer, but I’m happy for them to be the same size.

 

[Grimnir]

Man the Giganotosaurus model is extremely dissapointing when you look at The Isle's model. Atleast they are consistent.

 

[Beydhi]

Everywhere i saw this debate there is always people who are moving away from the subject. Ok so I'm going to say it and maybe i'll pass for a closed minded person but don't care.
I can see dinosaurs are your passion but what i fear here it's that is going to be a huge "blabla" and the subject that was originally simple will loose it's clarity. Maybe if a new thread is made you can talk about how big the giga p. En. Is. was in comparison to to t-rex.
I know it's going to keep in this direction i just wanted to warn you: if you want to be the most possibly credible in a debate you must stick to the subject otherwise you'll pass for prepubescent fans boys and what you'll ask will be ignored by the devs. Get it ?
I want the giga to be larger in this game.
So ok this is a really nice debate here. But not here. And if the OP come talking to me saying it's his thread he can go to hell, that everybody thread now, yes everybody who talk about the only one subject of this thread.
So I invite you to go and create a new thread if you want to talk about the reals animals fossils etc...
this is about a video game not reality

 

[Shadowear1991]

Everywhere i saw this debate there is always people who are moving away from the subject. Ok so I'm going to say it and maybe i'll pass for a closed minded person but don't care.
I can see dinosaurs are your passion but what i fear here it's that is going to be a huge "blabla" and the subject that was originally simple will loose it's clarity. Maybe if a new thread is made you can talk about how big the giga p. En. Is. was in comparison to to t-rex.
I know it's going to keep in this direction i just wanted to warn you: if you want to be the most possibly credible in a debate you must stick to the subject otherwise you'll pass for prepubescent fans boys and what you'll ask will be ignored by the devs. Get it ?
I want the giga to be larger in this game.
So ok this is a really nice debate here. But not here. And if the OP come talking to me saying it's his thread he can go to hell, that everybody thread now, yes everybody who talk about the only one subject of this thread.
So I invite you to go and create a new thread if you want to talk about the reals animals fossils etc...
this is about a video game not reality

You can’t create a new thread... cos if you do you get corralled back into this one... so as much as it’s loosing it’s primary point the mods have forced everyone into this singular place, but if you don’t believe me go create a new thread...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/434344-Dinosaur-scales-are-still-off

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/434382-seriously-what-is-that-with-the-size-complaining

 

[paleostudent]

Yes I understand the difference between biggest and length... we’re talking Annacondas and Reticulated pythons, but just cos I understand the term biggest doesn’t mean every one does haha

I think you need to choose terminology better so we can call them the same size, but Tyrannosaurus is the heavier dinosaur. Rather than sayin biggest because although big and heavy are synonymous people take that as you saying it’s longer taller, wether theorised correctly or not, right now it is believed they are the same size, and there are still theories stating Giga could be taller and longer, but I’m happy for them to be the same size.

I dont care what other think of what is what i care for what it really is! You got that? its not hard dude.

No trex was a bigger animal case closed unless we find a bigger giga then okay. but til then its false to sa they were equal. simple as that there is no room for debate it is what it is i dont made that lol.

What we can surely say is giga was faster and more agile, same lenght more or less weight less and was narrower bild. like is said before giga was the sport car trex was the hummer .

 

[Lora Craft69]

You can’t create a new thread... cos if you do you get corralled back into this one... so as much as it’s loosing it’s primary point the mods have forced everyone into this singular place, but if you don’t believe me go create a new thread...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/434344-Dinosaur-scales-are-still-off

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/434382-seriously-what-is-that-with-the-size-complaining

Yes we close them, because having multiple threads talking about the same topic is pointless.
Many people will simply copy and paste their posts in those multiple threads.

If a new thread is made in a way that differs and adds new content and material, then we can allow it.

Best is for those that want to see the sizes change to simply post in the pinned wishlist here, to ensure the Fromtier Developers will see it.
Mind you, we don't allow to much of discussions there, that threads purpose is to centralize all wishes, additions, changes and feedback to be easily available for the development team.

I hope this helps.

 

[paleostudent]

Everywhere i saw this debate there is always people who are moving away from the subject. Ok so I'm going to say it and maybe i'll pass for a closed minded person but don't care.
I can see dinosaurs are your passion but what i fear here it's that is going to be a huge "blabla" and the subject that was originally simple will loose it's clarity. Maybe if a new thread is made you can talk about how big the giga p. En. Is. was in comparison to to t-rex.
I know it's going to keep in this direction i just wanted to warn you: if you want to be the most possibly credible in a debate you must stick to the subject otherwise you'll pass for prepubescent fans boys and what you'll ask will be ignored by the devs. Get it ?
I want the giga to be larger in this game.
So ok this is a really nice debate here. But not here. And if the OP come talking to me saying it's his thread he can go to hell, that everybody thread now, yes everybody who talk about the only one subject of this thread.
So I invite you to go and create a new thread if you want to talk about the reals animals fossils etc...
this is about a video game not reality

Thread is about size . See no problem we all know the giga is undersized and the trex oversized in comparison to real counterparts. BUT we are here in Jurassic Park/World where a velociraptor is the height of a utahraptor. Yet no one complains about that its the exact same situation if you ask me . Just get over the childdish behaviour and accept thet this is Movie stuff if the giga would be 1m tall in the book then it would be 1m tall in the game Who cares???? its a movei after all. I dont get it and its mind boggling to me i dont want to insult someone but it really is stupidity at its finest.

 

[paleostudent]

Man the Giganotosaurus model is extremely dissapointing when you look at The Isle's model. Atleast they are consistent.

Then go an play the isle its really that simple. (awfull game has not even gameplay)

 

[paleostudent]

Yes we close them, because having multiple threads talking about the same topic is pointless.
Many people will simply copy and paste their posts in those multiple threads.

If a new thread is made in a way that differs and adds new content and material, then we can allow it.

Best is for those that want to see the sizes change to simply post in the pinned wishlist here, to ensure the Fromtier Developers will see it.
Mind you, we don't allow to much of discussions there, that threads purpose is to centralize all wishes, additions, changes and feedback to be easily available for the development team.

I hope this helps.

Thank you for that Post. So guys if you want the Giga to be bigger go an post it in the wishlist thread here nothing will change anything. so no matter what you have writte here its pointless. The Devs are already aware of this community issue since release. Most of you guys dont even know what they want first they say they want real size but in fact real size is smaller......(lol). So conclusion is you will always complain no matter what the Devs are doing even if they change sthe size a new flood will appear of kids who are complaining out of a reason they dont even know themselfes. Its practically only for the sake of complaining instead of enjoying the awesome made Dinosaurs in this Game. Its just to much to ask isnt it........You would even complain when the graphics were photorealistic i bet on it.