Modes How to make open attractive to solo players: Mission Rebuy

[Agony_Aunt]

Hmm.... maybe you don't understand why people play solo. Generally I think (being someone who sometimes plays solo) its because you just want to fly with nobody else.

Maybe your idea might have more traction with PG players. Those who want player interactions.... but probably not.

I think you fundamentally don't understand why people play in different modes.

 

[Bigmaec]

Hmm.... maybe you don't understand why people play solo. Generally I think (being someone who sometimes plays solo) its because you just want to fly with nobody else.

Maybe your idea might have more traction with PG players. Those who want player interactions.... but probably not.

I think you fundamentally don't understand why people play in different modes.

Are you so sure about that? Elite (open) has a reputation as a gank festival, nearly as bad as Ark official servers imho.

I started last year in August or so and the two people playing the game whom I knew from another forum both told me "never fly in open, you always get ganked".

I bet there are many people never hearing about mobius or who don't want to register there to play in it, and then you quickly get to playing in solo only.

I don't say that is the only reason to play in solo, but for a lot of people it is. It was for me, too, for two or three hundred hours.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Are you so sure about that? Elite (open) has a reputation as a gank festival, nearly as bad as Ark official servers imho.

I started last year in August or so and the two people playing the game whom I knew from another forum both told me "never fly in open, you always get ganked".

I bet there are many people never hearing about mobius or who don't want to register there to play in it, and then you quickly get to playing in solo only.

I don't say that is the only reason to play in solo, but for a lot of people it is. It was for me, too, for two or three hundred hours.

I've heard bits and bobs about Ark official servers. Some of them sound very toxic. I only play private server with the kids.

And yes, ill stand by my statement that OP doesn't understand the solo/pg player mindset based on their suggestion. To be honest, it doesn't matter what the suggestion is when its trying to get people out of solo/pg - that is the fundamental flaw with such suggestions. That there is something wrong with playing in PG/solo and people need to be incentivised to get into open. And its ususally the open players who seem so concerned about getting PG/solo players into open, when PG/solo players seem to be quite happy playing in the mode they are in.

 

[Curvemn17]

I guess my question would be if you were interdicted and killed by an NPC rather than a player would you be this worked up? I fail to see how a player blowing you up VS and NPC is any different. Or is it the fact the NPC doesn’t provide a challenge and thus no one worries about them? In reality a player shooting you VS an NPC isn’t any different really.

Also, no we don’t need to incentivize any modes to encourage people to play open.

 

[Jockey79]

.... In reality a player shooting you VS an NPC isn’t any different really.

NPCs don't pretend they did things with someone's mother or post videos on YouTube pretending to be "l33t" pilots, even though it was 4 combat ships onto 1 unarmed trader or newbie Sidewinder.

Yes, there is a difference between NPCs and people, NPCs cannot act with malice and people suck.

I'd rather drop to an NPC because I made a bad call than put up with a Wing of morons filling my chat with rubbish and bragging on YT because they blew up my trade ship.

 

[Curvemn17]

NPCs don't pretend they did things with someone's mother or post videos on YouTube pretending to be "l33t" pilots, even though it was 4 combat ships onto 1 unarmed trader or newbie Sidewinder.

Yes, there is a difference between NPCs and people, NPCs cannot act with malice and people suck.

I'd rather drop to an NPC because I made a bad call than put up with a Wing of morons filling my chat with rubbish and bragging on YT because they blew up my trade ship.

I fail to see any issue? Why would that bother me? I’m not trying to be sarcastic, but I’d say grow thicker skin? What do I care if I’m mocked? What do I have to prove to anyone? And anyone that’s really concerned about me blowing up isn’t exactly worth my time are they?

I’d say in general a broad generalization that people suck may be your issue and not everyone’s issue. That’s your opinion, while I belive people are generally idiots I don’t think they suck and would rather have social interaction, bad or good.

 

[Maachau]

I kill all traders, and I have valid reasons to do so.

 

[Spaceman Si]

Just for reference, but I fly solo, and I can't think of anything that would persuade me to want to do otherwise.

Most of my day is spent dealing with people, and I get little "me" time when there aren't life-events and chores to be dealt with. When I do get it, I want to spend my game time where I have no possibility of having to interact with another human, and that isn't going to change, so solo is the perfect mode for me.

It's great that Elite has modes that appeal to different folks' needs. It just isn't going to be possible to force or persuade someone with one mindset or requirement to go a different route though. I think it is a strength of Elite that it does attract such a disparate range of player types!

 

[ethelred]

I fail to see any issue? Why would that bother me? I’m not trying to be sarcastic, but I’d say grow thicker skin? What do I care if I’m mocked? What do I have to prove to anyone? And anyone that’s really concerned about me blowing up isn’t exactly worth my time are they?

If that's the reason they don't want to play in Open, then that is absolutely on them. I can see why it would people off, but like you it doesn't faze me. Nothing, except being able to remove all CMDR to CMDR comms is going to address that issue. But you must agree it's an issue for some?

I kill all traders, and I have valid reasons to do so.

Good for you, you don't need reasons. I can guarantee if we meet in game that I will roundly insult you as you attempt, and fail, to catch me.

 

[Jockey79]

I fail to see any issue?

That's because you choose to ignore the issue.

Why would that bother me?

It shouldn't

I’m not trying to be sarcastic, but I’d say grow thicker skin?

Why? Because you say so?

How others want to spend their time is up to them, and if they don't want to spend it with morons or people who suck, that's their choice.
They have just as much right to play the game as those who want to be nasty, and the game gives them the choice if they want to play with that person or not.

What do I care if I’m mocked?

Only you can answer this.

What do I have to prove to anyone?

Again, only you can answer this.

And anyone that’s really concerned about me blowing up isn’t exactly worth my time are they?

No idea what your time is worth but mine is worth quite a lot.

I’d say in general a broad generalization that people suck may be your issue and not everyone’s issue. That’s your opinion, while I belive people are generally idiots I don’t think they suck and would rather have social interaction, bad or good.

This is your opinion and your choice.

You said that NPCs are no different to players - and as you conveniently ignored the point I made, that there is a big difference I'll say it again.

"In reality" AI doesn't kill people out of malice, it just does as it was programmed.
"In reality" players attitudes suck.

So "in reality" there is a huge difference between AI and players shooting you.

 

[Curvemn17]

That's because you choose to ignore the issue.



It shouldn't



Why? Because you say so?

How others want to spend their time is up to them, and if they don't want to spend it with morons or people who suck, that's their choice.
They have just as much right to play the game as those who want to be nasty, and the game gives them the choice if they want to play with that person or not.



Only you can answer this.



Again, only you can answer this.



No idea what your time is worth but mine is worth quite a lot.



This is your opinion and your choice.

You said that NPCs are no different to players - and as you conveniently ignored the point I made, that there is a big difference I'll say it again.

"In reality" AI doesn't kill people out of malice, it just does as it was programmed.
"In reality" players attitudes suck.

So "in reality" there is a huge difference between AI and players shooting you.

Let’s unpack this shall we? My questions are obviously rhetorical and apply to you? I only used myself so as to not offend you. In my mind I don’t understand your issue with the comms or the YT video. Why should you care?

As to your issue with grow thicker skin, you’re missing the point entirely. No one is suggesting you play with others or that you let someone’s play style ruin your game. In fact I’m suggesting the opposite. Im suggesting you move on and don’t worry about all the malice that seems to bother you so much. Im suggesting you learn to ignore that stuff if in open. This has nothing to do with you do or don’t play open, it has everything to do with your view on social interactions in elite.

As to the malice, NPCs concostently say things to threaten you and such over comms. So the AI has been programmed with malice; thus, there is no difference. Player shoots me and I blow up, NPC shoots me and I blow up, difference? None.

I don’t think at any point in time I suggested your time or my time was less/or very valuable. Simply suggested worrying what others are typing or if I’m on some YT video or being mocked for that really isn’t worth anyone’s time. So if your time is so valuable, then I repeat why do you care?

 

[Jockey79]

Let’s unpack this shall we? My questions are obviously rhetorical and apply to you? I only used myself so as to not offend you. In my mind I don’t understand your issue with the comms or the YT video. Why should you care?

As to your issue with grow thicker skin, you’re missing the point entirely. No one is suggesting you play with others or that you let someone’s play style ruin your game. In fact I’m suggesting the opposite. Im suggesting you move on and don’t worry about all the malice that seems to bother you so much. Im suggesting you learn to ignore that stuff if in open. This has nothing to do with you do or don’t play open, it has everything to do with your view on social interactions in elite.

As to the malice, NPCs concostently say things to threaten you and such over comms. So the AI has been programmed with malice; thus, there is no difference. Player shoots me and I blow up, NPC shoots me and I blow up, difference? None.

I don’t think at any point in time I suggested your time or my time was less/or very valuable. Simply suggested worrying what others are typing or if I’m on some YT video or being mocked for that really isn’t worth anyone’s time. So if your time is so valuable, then I repeat why do you care?

Do you actually know what "malice" means?

The NPCs cannot have malice by definition, they can only do /say what they were programmed to say.
The NPCs do not have a desire to upset you or harm you, they are programmed to attack and spew out a few limited scripted lines.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/malice
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/malice

As for the rest of your ramblings, it's irrelevant.
"In reality" there is a difference between AI and Humans, I personally prefer the AI over random humans.

 

[Curvemn17]

Do you actually know what "malice" means?

The NPCs cannot have malice by definition, they can only do /say what they were programmed to say.
The NPCs do not have a desire to upset you or harm you, they are programmed to attack and spew out a few limited scripted lines.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/malice
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/malice

As for the rest of your ramblings, it's irrelevant.
"In reality" there is a difference between AI and Humans, I personally prefer the AI over random humans.

It’s humorous to me that you refer to the rest as ramblings when everything you have written has been the ramblings of someone who is unable to handle adversity. If you prefer to avoid any interactions with people all together then why comment on any post about open? Why maintain your vaunted PvP wall which has been blasted apart as of late? In your malice scenario you wouldn’t have any idea if that’s the case or not since you should only stick to solo to avoid any and all interaction.

Regardless of the reasons for someone shooting you, the outcome is the same; therefore, there isn’t a different between an NPC and a human blasting you to oblivion.

 

[Eidolon]

How about make it Open PvE?

Forget the rebuy stuff, Open PvE is the way for the future!

\o/

 

[Jockey79]

It’s humorous to me that you refer to the rest as ramblings when everything you have written has been the ramblings of someone who is unable to handle adversity. If you prefer to avoid any interactions with people all together then why comment on any post about open? Why maintain your vaunted PvP wall which has been blasted apart as of late? In your malice scenario you wouldn’t have any idea if that’s the case or not since you should only stick to solo to avoid any and all interaction.

Regardless of the reasons for someone shooting you, the outcome is the same; therefore, there isn’t a different between an NPC and a human blasting you to oblivion.

Wow you make some wild assumptions in your quest to justify actions by saying they are on par with the AI.

The AI has not choice over who to shoot, it is spawned by the BGS for the sole purpose of interacting with the players.
You shoot people because you chose to shoot them. You are nothing like the AI so there will always be that difference.

As for The Wall of Information, no one has "blasted" any of it (funny how only a certain type of person claims that).
All the information is still relevant, it's also about the mode system in general, not "PvP".
Why would anyone make an information wall about something we can opt out of with ease?
Perhaps you should actually read it, you may learn something about the mode system and Frontiers attitude towards it.

"unable to handle adversity" - LMAO, you haven't a clue about me.
And having to attack the poster not the point shows just how little you have in the way of a point.

 

[Curvemn17]

Wow you make some wild assumptions in your quest to justify actions by saying they are on par with the AI.

The AI has not choice over who to shoot, it is spawned by the BGS for the sole purpose of interacting with the players.
You shoot people because you chose to shoot them. You are nothing like the AI so there will always be that difference.

As for The Wall of Information, no one has "blasted" any of it (funny how only a certain type of person claims that).
All the information is still relevant, it's also about the mode system in general, not "PvP".
Why would anyone make an information wall about something we can opt out of with ease?
Perhaps you should actually read it, you may learn something about the mode system and Frontiers attitude towards it.

"unable to handle adversity" - LMAO, you haven't a clue about me.
And having to attack the poster not the point shows just how little you have in the way of a point.

Wow(Owen Wilson voice)

So I’m the one with wild assumptions? Tel me, who wrote about voice chatter and YouTube fodder again? Who suggested blowing up was the same no matter who pulled the trigger? Now, who made wild assumptions? Ok bud.

Also, talking about knowing someone I’d recommend a look in the mirror. You know nothing about me so to suggest only one type of person makes statements here is a bit hypocritical don’t ya think? Also, I’ve seen it. I also believe the conversations with sandro lately blow some holes in it.

Again, attacking the poster? Who refused to address any of my ramblings? Please look in a mirror again. Your statement about the nasty comm abuse and being mocked on YT make me belive you can’t handle adversity or at least as it relates to a video game with faceless people.

 

[ethelred]

Perhaps you didn’t read the part of the thread where we were discussing reasons why people don’t play in open, insults in comms and being killed by CMDRs being one of the reasons?

It’s too much of a stretch to then conflate that to make a judgement about what players can or cannot handle.

This is the reverse of players saying that all Open players are psychopathic neck beard basement dwellers.

Stop it.

 

[Simon Templar]

Wow you make some wild assumptions in your quest to justify actions by saying they are on par with the AI.

The AI has not choice over who to shoot, it is spawned by the BGS for the sole purpose of interacting with the players.
You shoot people because you chose to shoot them. You are nothing like the AI so there will always be that difference.

As for The Wall of Information, no one has "blasted" any of it (funny how only a certain type of person claims that).
All the information is still relevant, it's also about the mode system in general, not "PvP".
Why would anyone make an information wall about something we can opt out of with ease?
Perhaps you should actually read it, you may learn something about the mode system and Frontiers attitude towards it.

"unable to handle adversity" - LMAO, you haven't a clue about me.
And having to attack the poster not the point shows just how little you have in the way of a point.

The site won't let me rep your latest posts as I need to 'spread it around' before I can rep you some more. So please just take it as a given that I have repped each of your posts in this thread. You speak, word for word, for some of us. I might even pop back in to this thread from time to time, just to rep up the full set of posts.

o7

 

[Jockey79]

Perhaps you didn’t read the part of the thread where we were discussing reasons why people don’t play in open, insults in comms and being killed by CMDRs being one of the reasons?

For some types, not putting up with their antics isn't a good enough reason to stay away from them.

The site won't let me rep your latest posts as I need to 'spread it around' before I can rep you some more. So please just take it as a given that I have repped each of your posts in this thread. You speak, word for word, for some of us. I might even pop back in to this thread from time to time, just to rep up the full set of posts.

o7

Thanks for your support.

If there are any points you want to bring up, but are not comfortable to do it personally, feel free to pm them to me and I'll bring them up.

 

[Curvemn17]

Perhaps you didn’t read the part of the thread where we were discussing reasons why people don’t play in open, insults in comms and being killed by CMDRs being one of the reasons?

It’s too much of a stretch to then conflate that to make a judgement about what players can or cannot handle.

This is the reverse of players saying that all Open players are psychopathic neck beard basement dwellers.

Stop it.

Perhaps you didn’t read my first response where I addressed this? Which was then responded with ramblings by a certain poster in which I replied in kind. While I appreciate your sentiment I disagree with it, I stand by everything I’ve typed to this point.

I wonder when those statements are lobbed at others about them probably being a kid in moms basebment or as you say a neck beard, do you then decry all of those as well? I’ve seen plenty of them lobbed from all sorts of posters and have yet to see such sentiment typically.