What is Lifetime season pass ?
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As I have two LEP's I'd have to agree with you.
It's a LIFETIME pass. You can't assign a value to it until everything has been delivered. When legs, atmo planet landings, Earth-like worlds, station interiors, dinosaur hunting(!) and player planetary bases arrives in paid expansions then it will be worth it just for that. And I'm sure there's more coming in addition.
I'd buy two more LEP's if I could to cover my other accounts because I'm optimistic about the games future. If you truly feel your LEP is worthless, apply for a refund for it. Elite has delivered two plus years of content to all players free of charge on top of the original game release. EA, Bethesda or Bioware would have soaked you for an additional £150-200 for the same thing. Frontier has a motivated staff who care about their company and their games. There's no loot boxes, no JPG ships, no pay to win; that's what you get from Frontier. Credibility and value for money.
Yes, there's issues and they've made many mistakes. I'm not saying Frontier are perfect. However, when you look out there at the money grubbing mega-corps who show you a one minute trailer then demand you pre-order a $70 dollar game 6-8 months ahead of time that you'll only play for 20'ish hours, you can see just how lucky you are.
First world problems.
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Well said, and I wholeheartedly agree, some folks have hundreds, even thousands of hours played and whine about value. I suspect that if you walked up and gave them £100 they would probably pi$ and moan about the denomination of the notes, it is in their nature to be petty and frankly, childish. I purchased a pack that included the lifetime pass to support the project and get it out of the door and I was not thinking about how many paid expansions that might cover, nor do I recall Frontier ever giving a figure.
Given how much play I have had out of the game I have already had more than enough value for my money and it's not over yet.
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As much I'd like to agree to this sentiment, I've taken the time to reflect on the fact that when I initially bought PB with the LEP, I knew it could be a gamble. Doesn't make it right if FD "renege" on it though, although there's no suggestion that they will.
Like any season pass it is a gamble on future content to receive. In general you're better off waiting for that content and deciding then whether to spend or not.
Im still very optimistic about elite, and super in love with the game itself, but really not optimistic about the lep.
My theory is that someone at the level who makes decisions has anchored onto the negatives about new expansions.. splitting the playerbase, the possibility that some players will look at another full price expense and decide they're completely fine and NOT do it, some players might take the opportunity to drop off, any technical challenges that come from splitting players, balance especially, and decided they don't want to do this anymore.
Also interesting is that the first "expansion" was first intended to cover a period of time of updates.. it was and is still labeled as a "season". Given that season is well over now, by logic frontier could ask payment the next.
Including my own experiences, i think the cosmetic store has done way better than frontier ever imagined, and they've put very much to the side the idea of paid expansions to keep whole and maximize cosmetic sales. Hmm.. i've bought maybe 4 expansions worth of skins over 3 accounts. Oh. im not helping.
Will be very happy to be proven wrong by frontier, but my guess is lep has been put under the bus. Like legs, or whatever else they've decided behind the curtain.
My theory is that someone at the level who makes decisions has anchored onto the negatives about new expansions.. splitting the playerbase, the possibility that some players will look at another full price expense and decide they're completely fine and NOT do it, some players might take the opportunity to drop off, any technical challenges that come from splitting players, balance especially, and decided they don't want to do this anymore.
Also interesting is that the first "expansion" was first intended to cover a period of time of updates.. it was and is still labeled as a "season". Given that season is well over now, by logic frontier could ask payment the next.
Including my own experiences, i think the cosmetic store has done way better than frontier ever imagined, and they've put very much to the side the idea of paid expansions to keep whole and maximize cosmetic sales. Hmm.. i've bought maybe 4 expansions worth of skins over 3 accounts. Oh. im not helping.
Will be very happy to be proven wrong by frontier, but my guess is lep has been put under the bus. Like legs, or whatever else they've decided behind the curtain.
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I wonder whatever happened to the DDF quids and our "god like powers"
Can it really be called a waste of money when you accept fully well all the implications? A waste of money implies you pay for something but don't get anything in exchange.
People paid for access to a hypothetical product, they paid for an idea. They knew it, and they valued that idea high enough to pay money to subscribe to it.
Whether that hopothetical product cyrstalizes into an actual product whose monetary value exceeds that of the original price doesn't factor into whether the money was wasted.
A waste of money would be if somebody paid for it while foolishly expecting to get something of value in exchange when those weren't the terms of sale.
Rafe Zetter
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Why would anyone buy it?
ED plus horizons can be had for £20 during sales - why would you waste more money?
Even if you buy the next expanion at full price thats still only £50 - half an LEP, and in the two years (or longer) it'll take them to get the next paid expansion out, by then you wont care to buy an LEP anyway.
Really doesn't look like a "hypothetical product" to me. Frontier clearly stated what they "intend" to provide for the money:
https://web.archive.org/web/2014070...erous-cat/elite-dangerous-expansion-pass.html
https://web.archive.org/web/2014062...zaonce.net/elite-dangerous-premium-beta.html/
http://www.a4id.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/A4ID-english-contract-law-at-a-glance.pdf
That said, I don't question Frontier's intent at all - I fully believe they will deliver what they have promised. However it does sound as though you are questioning Frontier's intent by implying it's a "hypothetical product", when Frontier have very clearly stated they are going to deliver those products.
The original idea was to release one season (expansion pack) per year in 2015 (I think) roughly at 20 or 30 bucks a pop.
In 2016, we got Horizons.
In 2017, we got nothing.
In 2018, we got Beyond.
So LEP holders are a bit salty about this, because the game plan was to set this for 10 years, ergo 10 expansions. We are 4 years in, 2 expansion passes, and LEP holders feel they paid for something they are not getting, might have been better off just buying Horizons, because Beyond was free for every player.
I'm a LEP holder myself, and so far I paid 100something bucks for Beyond, something I could have gotten for a fraction of what I paid. So buyer beware.
The only thing LEP holders (as well as alpha and beta backers) have gotten out of this, was access to Beta tests and if participated, a decal for their commander's HoloMe - something no one would see so far anyway.
Up to you what you think of this, but that's where it's at.
Oh come on !!!!
Please be fair and compare "new" prices,not "wait for months for price reduction" value !!!!
You do know you can buy WOW with ALL the expansions for pittance instead of full price for all their expansions ?
On release ED was £40
On release(and if you owned ED) Horizons was £30
Premium Beta was £100, so yes so far, we're still behind by £30 which is good with me. Much better value than SC and NMS.
Sole Hunter
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a waste of money.
That's genuinely funny. Made me laugh out loud.
for me the LEP was and is a way of not having to care about buying new content. Also, back in the day when I bought it I was convinced that FDev deserved a bit more for E than the basic price. Looking back, with all the money I've been spending on ED, I'm now at less than 0.05€ per hour in game. I've been spending a lot more money/hour on other games. On the rational side all is good [yesnod]
than the basic price. Looking back, with all the money I've been spending on ED, I'm now at less than 0.05€ per hour in game. I've been spending a lot more money/hour on other games. On the rational side all is good [yesnod]Rafe Zetter
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You know full well that I was comparing the pricing model on a situation IF FDev chanced thier arm and re-issued LEP availability - I made that obvious with the rest of my post.
Yes I do know you can buy all WoW expansions for a pittance - I also know that the £100 I paid for a LEP for WoW AND and another £100 for founders LOTRO** have been an absolute steal - with expansions for both at full value "new release" prices adding up to well over £200 each.
And just to nail that point home, four years into their development, for BOTH games and the LEP had PAID FOR ITSELF.
Right now, in FOUR YEARS, FDev are 2 expansions behind according to the LEP sales model stated by FDev, with absolutely no clue as to how the rest of the expansions are going to be sold.
And here's the kicker - FDev have retained the right to change the LEP model, such that they can annul it as part of thier "new sales model" and force ALL LEP owners to pay FULL PRICE for new content.
So as of todays ED state of play, the LEP cost TWICE as much as the released content, and ABSOLUTELY ZERO ASSURANCES FROM FDEV THAT THEY WILL HONOR LEP'S FOR EXPANSIONS GOING FORWARD.
NONE.
NADA.
ZILCH.
TOTAL AND UTTER SILENCE - AS [CENSORED] USUAL.
** (and as an aside EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. as a LOTRO founder I get rewards and cosmetic souveniers to mark the anniversary)
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As such, it has been a complete waste of money thus far, and an exercise in patience. For those who purchased their LEP along with the discounted Horizons, it has thus far delivered nothing.
One has to look at the pattern of design and subsequently development, to conclude if it will ever be of value.
Opinions differ on that point...
For me, as an LEP outlier, if they ever become available again, you'd be a complete mug to get one. That goes for any game from FD.
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I got the LEP as part of my kickstarter pledge.
If I knew it'd get me one (1) expansion in four years I wouldn't have bothered.
Come to think of it, I wouldn't have backed at all if I knew we'd be getting this shallow grindfest.
If I knew it'd get me one (1) expansion in four years I wouldn't have bothered.
Come to think of it, I wouldn't have backed at all if I knew we'd be getting this shallow grindfest.
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