Where is the paid 'content' LEP holder get for 'free'

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I didn't start that comparison in this thread, another poster did. I simply responded to the claim that Elite is somehow better value than Star Citizen, which I can tell you is most certainly not true. I have followed the development of both Elite and Star Citizen very closely and have invested a significant amount of time and money into both games so I know exactly what I'm talking about here. I'm not particularly happy with either Elite or Star Citizen's funding models right now for various reasons but I can very clearly tell you exactly what value you're getting for Elite cosmetic purchases vs. spending the same amount on a ship in Star Citizen.

Is there a ED paint job that costs £1500 .. damn that's expensive! FD you should be ashamed!
 
I didn't start that comparison in this thread, another poster did. I simply responded to the claim that Elite is somehow better value than Star Citizen, which I can tell you is most certainly not true. I have followed the development of both Elite and Star Citizen very closely and have invested a significant amount of time and money into both games so I know exactly what I'm talking about here. I'm not particularly happy with either Elite or Star Citizen's funding models right now for various reasons but I can very clearly tell you exactly what value you're getting for Elite cosmetic purchases vs. spending the same amount on a ship in Star Citizen.

The difference you forget to mention is that one forces you to spend hundreds per gameplay loop, whereas cosmetics are just that: cosmetics. If you spend $170 on cosmetics, then regret spending $170 on cosmetics, that is between you and your frontal cortex. Most gamers however feel that rudimentary gameplay should never be locked behind a paywall. And certainly not during 'its just an alpha.'. And definitely not after already asking for 200 million and seven years. You know, asking for 200 million and then asking for another $180 just for the privilege to test the broken gameplay you already paid princely for over half a decade ago is... weird to most of us.

But again, to each his own.
 
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The difference you forget to mention is that one forces you to spend hundreds per gameplay loop, whereas cosmetics are just that: cosmetics. If you spend $170 on cosmetics, then regret spending $170 on cosmetics, that is between you and your frontal cortex. Most gamers however feel that rudimentary gameplay should never be locked behind a paywall. And certainly not during 'its just an alpha.'. And definitely not after already asking for 200 million and seven years. You know, asking for 200 million and then asking for another $180 just for the privilege to test the broken gameplay you already paid princely for over half a decade ago is... weird to most of us.

But again, to each his own.

I'm not necessarily defending Star Citizen's development model here and over the past year I think they've gone seriously off track trying to squeeze every last dollar out of their backers. In fact I've stopped making any SC purchases for nearly 4 months now because of funding model changes that I strongly disagree with. The fact remains however that spending $170 on a Sabre in Star Citizen gives you much more "value" than I've gotten for spending $170 on cosmetic items in Elite.
 
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This. This right here. Someone else who understands.

LEP'ers... FD don't have to impress you in the slightest. It's scrubs like me who they have to impress, if they want more sales.

That's not true though, goodwill goes a long way, LEP owners simply think twice before making a cosmetic purchase and don't bother.

Ive bought cosmetics in the past for exactly the same reason I sub to Twitch streamers, simply goodwill for a job well done.

If I'm feeling like Frontier have made decisions that have not been very fair to me then why would I voluntarily give them more money.
 
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I'm not necessarily defending Star Citizen's development model here and over the past year I think they've gone seriously off track trying to squeeze every last dollar out of their backers. In fact I've stopped making any SC purchases for nearly 4 months now because of funding model changes that I strongly disagree with. The fact remains however that spending $170 on a Sabre in Star Citizen gives you much more "value" than I've gotten for spending $170 on cosmetic items in Elite.

can I ask how? .. Is Star Citizen even a game yet ? (it was supposed to come out around the same time, if not before ED)
 

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Please stick to OP's topic, which isn't a comparison of value between Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous.
 
The life of the game isn't over yet so the leg you are standing on doesn't exist. Sure FD should have released new premium content .. but it is coming..

I've heard that several times for game mechanics that have ended up being profoundly disappointing. The Thargoids were coming for quite some time, and how did that "content" turn out? Same with the Engineering "rework" that simply created ludicrous blueprint ranges and attached another new grind to the process. Not to mention the completely ineffective C&P "rework" which has done nothing to reduce griefing and has actually made the C&P system worse than it was before.

and I really do expect everyone who has said it isn't to make posts on how they were wrong! ... I will be bringing up all the names on my list.

Are you also going to keep a list of how many features Braben originally described which still aren't even in the game in a rudimentary form or were delivered in a barely functional state? I'm not only thinking of features such as space legs here, which we have yet to see even a rudimentary version, but also all the underdeveloped features such as multicrew which hasn't been improved in the past 15 months since it was launched.

That would be an important list to keep track of if you're going to look at what Elite has actually delivered in terms of game content.
 
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I bought the Premium Beta ( the expensive one ) for two reasons.

1. I was impressed with the game and naturally wanted everything that got released. What that will entail, we shall see as there are many years to go. There are no guarantees.

2. I saw it as a way of ensuring the game I played as kid in 1984 actually got remade.
 
We're into Q2, 3.1 is out, FD have released more paid 'content'. So... Where's the stuff? You know... The stuff LEP holders are supposed to get for 'free'. Where is it? What is it? TELL US SOMETHING FD... ANYTHING....


Edit: Who thought naming 3.1 'chapter 2' was a good idea........ Time for more coffee....

Chapter Four.

That I think will be an expansion like atmos or legs.

No more coffee for you
 
I've heard that several times for game mechanics that have ended up being profoundly disappointing. The Thargoids were coming for quite some time, and how did that "content" turn out? Same with the Engineering "rework" that simply created ludicrous blueprint ranges and attached another new grind to the process. Not to mention the completely ineffective C&P "rework" which has done nothing to reduce griefing and has actually made the C&P system worse than it was before.



Are you also going to keep a list of how many features Braben originally described which still aren't even in the game in a rudimentary form or were delivered in a barely functional state? I'm not only thinking of features such as space legs here, which we have yet to see even a rudimentary version, but also all the underdeveloped features such as multicrew which hasn't been improved in the past 15 months since it was launched.

That would be am important list to keep track of if you're going to look at what Elite has actually delivered in terms of game content.

I have to be honest here and say that I have no interest in all of this "bringing players together" nonsense. ED should have been a single player game, and if it was, we would already have Atmos planets and Space legs.

But, that isn't the game FD wanted. The game is not dead yet and all of your perceived additions could still come in time.

Forget the 10 year plan as that is a fallacy, instead think about the fact that FD are making a load of cash and ED is looking healthy.
 

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That's not true though, goodwill goes a long way, LEP owners simply think twice before making a cosmetic purchase and don't bother.

Ive bought cosmetics in the past for exactly the same reason I sub to Twitch streamers, simply goodwill for a job well done.

If I'm feeling like Frontier have made decisions that have not been very fair to me then why would I voluntarily give them more money.

At the same time though, you've already paid for any possible expansions... Cosmetic sales are not guaranteed with any player.

Do you have proof that LEP money is or isn't ring-fenced? Because if it isn't, chances are it's already spent, and that being the case, next time FD wants the big one, they'll be looking at me, not you.

But feel free to keep clutching at straws. I understand a gamble not "paying off", can be rough to deal with.
 
This. This right here. Someone else who understands.

LEP'ers... FD don't have to impress you in the slightest. It's scrubs like me who they have to impress, if they want more sales.

Leps get every paid expansion forever. Scrubs are broke :p

Atmos, legs, all things I will buy in for the game in the next few years myself.
 
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I've heard that several times for game mechanics that have ended up being profoundly disappointing. The Thargoids were coming for quite some time, and how did that "content" turn out? Same with the Engineering "rework" that simply created ludicrous blueprint ranges and attached another new grind to the process. Not to mention the completely ineffective C&P "rework" which has done nothing to reduce griefing and has actually made the C&P system worse than it was before.



Are you also going to keep a list of how many features Braben originally described which still aren't even in the game in a rudimentary form or were delivered in a barely functional state? I'm not only thinking of features such as space legs here, which we have yet to see even a rudimentary version, but also all the underdeveloped features such as multicrew which hasn't been improved in the past 15 months since it was launched.

That would be an important list to keep track of if you're going to look at what Elite has actually delivered in terms of game content.



You can ask whatever you like, but giving you a proper answer here would be taking the thread further off-topic so it's probably better to read up about Star Citizen yourself if you're truly interested rather than continuing to derail the current thread.

You seem to be consistently upset about reality because someone promised you a fantasy. in ED you can invite a friend into your ship, have him or an actual AI embark the SLF. There are multiple SLFs available, with different yet all good flight models. There are aliens, some easy, some harder. They have unique abilities, you have dedicated modules to counter them which you can chose to use in an extensive outfitting setting. You can even further customize each individual basic module, using materials and data you collected using a variety of different missions and sandbox activities. There is a C&P mechanic, which has different degrees of punishment, legal and 'less legal' options of dealing with it, free havens for criminals, high-end security ships etc.

You may not like reality, but it actually exists.
 

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I am only a lowly premium beta, sept 14. We got red eagle and a mercenary skin.

I only heard of the game when GPP started on Xbox. That's 2015. It would be another six months until I started on PC.

Note, Xbox has never had LEP. Ever. Just to clarify.
 
You seem to be consistently upset about reality because someone promised you a fantasy. in ED you can invite a friend into your ship, have him or an actual AI embark the SLF. There are multiple SLFs available, with different yet all good flight models. There are aliens, some easy, some harder. They have unique abilities, you have dedicated modules to counter them which you can chose to use in an extensive outfitting setting. You can even further customize each individual basic module, using materials and data you collected using a variety of different missions and sandbox activities. There is a C&P mechanic, which has different degrees of punishment, legal and 'less legal' options of dealing with it, free havens for criminals, high-end security ships etc.

You may not like reality, but it actually exists.

That "reality" is profoundly disappointing for anyone who watched Braben's original videos, or even read dev descriptions of what they planned for Thargoids and Beyond. Most of those "features" you're describing don't even work properly at a basic level much less resemble what was originally described. The situation with the LEP and game content is entirely the fault of Braben and FD deciding to underdevelop Elite over the past 3.5 years. We're talking about a franchise that had brought in at least $100 million USD of revenue for FD so far (and that is a VERY conservative estimate based on financial data that is several years out of date now). The quality that we've gotten in Elite so far is appalling, and the ludicrous monetization of laser colors for $1.75 USD each is just adding insult to injury. The fact that LEP owners haven't seen anywhere near proper value for what they paid, which was equivalent to four full years of Horizons-equivalent expansions, should tell you this very clearly.
 
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This. This right here. Someone else who understands.

LEP'ers... FD don't have to impress you in the slightest. It's scrubs like me who they have to impress, if they want more sales.

Considering I've spent more money on cosmetics, than I have on the game including acquiring the LEP, I'd say that it would be in Frontier's best interests to continue to impress me... at least if they want to continue getting my money. After all, I haven't bought paint jobs yet for the Anaconda, Imperial Clipper, Imperial Cutter (once I've got the rank, of course), ship kits for the same plus the Python and AspX, and of course they may introduce clothing options for our Commanders that may be more suitably Imperial than what we have now.

Oh, and sooner or later I'll give in and buy a Krait Mk. II. I'll need a paint job for that too. ;)
 
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