Where is the paid 'content' LEP holder get for 'free'

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Devari

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StuartGT said:
The Lifetime Expansion Pass gives Beta access to all expansions too, so the fair comparison would be to Horizons Beta at $60, and therefore 3x standalone expansions (including Horizons) would allow Lifetime Expansion Pass owners to "break even".
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I'm obviously referring to players who purchased the $180 LEP which was sold in 2015 around the same time that Horizons was being sold for $45 as a standalone product.
 

babelfisch

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Devari said:
A customer does not have to wait indefinitely for a product to be delivered, any more than they have to wait indefinitely to receive payment. Sorry but you really have on idea what you're talking about here.
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The timeframe is very clearly defined as lifetime. Unless that's over you have to wait until the product is delivered.
 

Devari

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RidingTheFlow said:
Umm, ok.
What "product" are you still waiting on as LEP buyer? What will make LEP as "delivered"?
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I'm not an LEP owner, as I've stated many times in this thread, but I am clearly referring here to the upcoming content described when the LEP was sold. This would be space legs, boarding actions and landing on inhabited atmospheric planets, as these features were specifically stated as intended future content.
 

babelfisch

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wesmacdon said:
I'm not going to debate semantics with you. It has been explained to you by a number of people that a gamble involves a random outcome defined by chance. An LEP is quite obviously not that. The simple fact is in UK Consumer Law if a 'pack' is sold and costs the consumer more than the individual components this is viewed as tantamount to fraudulent. You can bang on about it being a gamble all you like. It is of no consequence to me. You are wrong though, irrespective of your dogged refusal to accept it. A Kickstarter is something of a gamble because it is understood that the investment may not yield a product. The LEP has an implication that the purchaser will save money on paying for each part separately. In the eyes of UK law this is not a gamble as it places responsibly on the seller to then meet that expectation.

But feel free to keep insisting that it's a gamble of you want.
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That's easy. Frontier creates 3 paint jobs, each costing £50 and give it to you for free. Done.
 

Vorxian

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wesmacdon said:
I'm not going to debate semantics with you. It has been explained to you by a number of people that a gamble involves a random outcome defined by chance. An LEP is quite obviously not that. The simple fact is in UK Consumer Law if a 'pack' is sold and costs the consumer more than the individual components this is viewed as tantamount to fraudulent. You can bang on about it being a gamble all you like. It is of no consequence to me. You are wrong though, irrespective of your dogged refusal to accept it. A Kickstarter is something of a gamble because it is understood that the investment may not yield a product. The LEP has an implication that the purchaser will save money on paying for each part separately. In the eyes of UK law this is not a gamble as it places responsibly on the seller to then meet that expectation.

But feel free to keep insisting that it's a gamble of you want.
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But then if FDEV cancelled ED entirely, the LEP would be a moot point as well.

I get what Stig is saying. When you LEP you gamble, and take a bet on a future outcome. You're sold an idea / concept, not a promise. It's up to you if you think that concept / idea holds value against your stake in it. Sometimes a £1000 stake is an absolute bargain against possible life time benefits. Sometimes a £10 stake is an absolute rip off... The feasibility evaluation takes place at time of purchase, not delivery.

It's a hard gamble.

EDIT: for the record, i'm not an LEP holder. I took that gamble as well. It may go against me just as likely. But I figured it gives me the choice if I want to purchase new content, rather than praying that my investment yields value.
 
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RidingTheFlow

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Devari said:
I'm not an LEP owner, as I've stated many times in this thread, but I am clearly referring here to the upcoming content described when the LEP was sold. This would be space legs, boarding actions and landing on inhabited atmospheric planets, as these features were specifically stated as intended future content.
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Sorry, was there stated anywhere that "you will get space legs with your LEP pass?". Was it stated, when?
I believe all was promise "if something like space legs gets made, when its made, and if its non-free, you will still get it for free".
Tell me what of this wasn't delivered 100% as promised.

babelfisch said:
The timeframe is very clearly defined as lifetime. Unless that's over you have to wait until the product is delivered.
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Exactly. If you want to treat it like a "product" anyway (which is not).
 
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PiLhEaD

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RidingTheFlow said:
...Again with this nonsense. There were plenty of news and posters above repeatedly pointed them out to you. You just arbitrarily declare them "not news enough for your liking".
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The most recent official post that I've seen so far is the one from Zac from October 2017. I'd be grateful if you could provide the link(s) to more up to date official announcements from FDev specifically and clearly regarding and referencing premium content.

Thanks in advance.

e. re: 'You just arbitrarily declare them "not news enough for your liking"' - well yes, if by 'arbitrarily' you mean 'in my opinion', yes you're quite right, I don't think what I've seen in the intervening eight months is enough. To be REALLY clear, I'm pleased and can accept that you are happy with the situation as is.
 
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amigacooke

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babelfisch said:
So what would be your case?
"They forced me to buy the LEP because I thought everything would be cool and awesome and it didn't turn out as cool and awesome as I thought it will be?"
They didn't tell you the amount of paid expansions they'll release and they didn't tell you when they'll release them.
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I imagine you could base it on the product not being fit for purpose.
 

RidingTheFlow

RidingTheFlow
amigacooke said:
I imagine you could base it on the product not being fit for purpose.
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You could. Ultimately it will be up to court to decide if this has actual merit.

Devari said:
The LEP very obviously refers to the lifetime of the product. Not the lifetime of the individual who purchased it.
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Great, we are getting somewhere. Lets get back to the discussion when ED will be officially EOL and LEP owners will be missing some of paid expansions released during that time.
 

yminale

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wesmacdon said:
I'm not going to debate semantics with you. It has been explained to you by a number of people that a gamble involves a random outcome defined by chance. An LEP is quite obviously not that. The simple fact is in UK Consumer Law if a 'pack' is sold and costs the consumer more than the individual components this is viewed as tantamount to fraudulent. .
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LEP players haven't paid more. Horizon $40 US + Beta access $10 US. That's $50 US. Your complaint is that you haven't paid LESS. I don't think Fdev guaranteed that.
 

Devari

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RidingTheFlow said:
Sorry, was there stated anywhere that "you will get space legs with your LEP pass?". Was it stated, when?
I believe all was promise "if something like space legs gets made, when its made, and if its non-free, you will still get it for free".
Tell me what of this wasn't delivered 100% as promised.
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They very clearly described what the pass would include in terms of upcoming content. It was not a kickstarter where the content might or might not actually be developed, it was a retail product sold with a very clear description of what they would be working on in terms of future development.

Your idea that FD was merely selling a customer the "possibility" that they would deliver that content for $180 USD is a ludicrous suggestion. I don't pay my mechanic for the "possibility" of doing work on my car, with the discretion to simply choose to not do the work I have paid them for, I am paying them for specific work that is actually being done on my vehicle. I am under no obligation to deliver payment for work that is not completed on my vehicle, any more than an LEP owner is obligated to pay FD for content that was not delivered to them.

henry1491 said:
We're not back to SC again are we...

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Oh snap.
 
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