Where is the paid 'content' LEP holder get for 'free'

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I think I'd trust a court to make a more informed decision than the denizens that inhabit this thread :)
Sure. I am very interested to see such actual outcome myself.

Shame such court cases never seem to come - despite numerous posts over the years that it would be super-easy win ;)
 
I don't think mathematics applies to retail products in the way you think it does.

Without labouring the point, retail products are worth what customers are prepared to pay for them. ;)

Which in this case was $180 USD. FD now has to actually deliver $180 USD of content, which is the entire point of this thread.
 
Maybe someone should explain to you the difference between "we intend" and "we promised". I could easily say I intend to give 100 Mio dollars to you and no court on earth could ever nail me on this statement.

If you reneged on £100 million dollars...

...Court wouldn't be your immediate concern.
 
If you reneged on £100 million dollars...

...Court wouldn't be your immediate concern.

I'd agree except for the fact that it seems most of the time "white collar" crime seems to be low priority to most justice systems.

They prefer chasing criminals in alleys versus offices, which is peculiar considering the safety factor.
 
Maybe someone should explain to you the difference between "we intend" and "we promised". I could easily say I intend to give 100 Mio dollars to you and no court on earth could ever nail me on this statement.

Simple sir, they took responsibility when took your money for the "product".
 
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You've already seen the Newsletter link. In the other LEP thread. Was posted many times.

And again in this one ;)

They said they intend to add space legs and atmospheric planets. Good thing is that DBOBE just recently said they are still intending to do this.
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Simple sir, they took responsibility when took your money for the "product".

Which was never clearly defined. If they hypothetically stop ED development at the end of the year they would be wrong on a moral / ethical level, but I doubt that you could legally do something against it. Anyway, as said above, the goal is still to release space legs and atmospheric planets which makes the discussion rather pointless, unless they suddenly say something different. You can say that you want all of it now, but that doesn't sit well with reality and the term 'lifetime'.
 
Eh. Autumn is Sep 21st to Dec 21st, the time period 2.3's release was slated for (it was instead released Spring 2017). For 2.4, which didn't have an announced window anyway, to release in 2016 too then the assumption must have been "2.4 - coming 21st to 31st Dec" - that's pretty silly.

Not to get into a technical discussion of what Autumn or Fall actually refer to, but meteorologically December 21 is the Winter solstice and is meterolgically taken to be mid-Winter, not the start of Winter, the same as how the Autumn equinox is usually taken to mean mid-Autumn rather than the start of Autumn. December 21 is very clearly winter in North America in terms of weather and temperatures. No one here in Canada would refer to the massive amounts of snow and freezing temperatures we get here in December as "fall weather". Here's a relevant quote from the Wikipedia article in case you're wondering what I'm referring to in terms of equinox/solstice dates and seasonal lag:

"Some cultures regard the autumnal equinox as "mid-autumn", while others with a longer temperature lag treat it as the start of autumn.[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn#cite_note-2"][SIZE=3][2][/SIZE][/URL] Meteorologists (and most of the temperate countries in the southern hemisphere)[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn#cite_note-3"][SIZE=3][3][/SIZE][/URL] use a definition based on Gregorian calendar months, with autumn being September, October, and November in the northern hemisphere,[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn#cite_note-4"][SIZE=3][4][/SIZE][/URL] and March, April, and May in the southern hemisphere."

When someone refers to "Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter" within a single calendar year that is meant to refer to Q1 through Q4 if you are trying to correlate meterological seasons with a quarterly release schedule.

2.2 was delayed from Summer 2016 by 5 weeks, and released 25th Oct. 2.3 was delayed 3.5 months from Autumn 2016 until 11th Apr 2017.

Not quite, you're using a definition for the end of Autumn that isn't meteorologically or culturally consistent there. Autumn 2016 was clearly meant to refer to approximately the end of Q3 and early Q4 of 2016, not to the Winter solstice occurring on Dec. 21, which would leave time to release 2.4 in mid-late Q4 of 2016.

2.4 wasn't delayed at all, because once its release window was announced it met it.

Except that Horizons was consistently referred to by FD as being planned for deliver throughout 2016. Anyone who followed the release dates throughout seasons 1 and 2 could clearly see a pattern of quarterly content being delivered. Not putting a specific release date for 2.4 doesn't somehow mean that it wasn't originally planned to be released around the end of 2016, which was a full year before it was actually finally delivered at the end of 2017.
 
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Which in this case was $180 USD. FD now has to actually deliver $180 USD of content, which is the entire point of this thread.

FD doesn't HAVE to deliver $180 USD worth of content. Nowhere will you find that FD promised to deliver the exact cost of the LEP - $180 USD is the value that FD put on the LEP itself, that in no way indicates the value of the content to be added.
 
I'd agree except for the fact that it seems most of the time "white collar" crime seems to be low priority to most justice systems.

They prefer chasing criminals in alleys versus offices, which is peculiar considering the safety factor.

If you pinch $100 million your lawyer will get a polite enquiry as to when it would be convenient to pop in for a polite chat. Pinch $100 and you'll be chased down and caged like a dog.

The safety factor is in not angering the millionaire with the very expensive lawyer and the same club memberships as the commissioner and mayor.

Not that it's remotely relevant in an "are we there yet" thread.
 
They said they intend to add space legs and atmospheric planets. Good thing is that DBOBE just recently said they are still intending to do this.
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That because, of, if they say, that they will not intend to so, and will be no end product delivery, such statement will automatically fall into criminal law.
 
Maybe someone should explain to you the difference between "we intend" and "we promised". I could easily say I intend to give 100 Mio dollars to you and no court on earth could ever nail me on this statement.

When someone sells you something with a clearly stated intention of what they are going to develop, and fails to do so, then they no longer have any claim on the money they've collected. It was not some sort of kickstarter purchase when they were selling the LEP for $180 USD, it was a pre-order for a retail product that had already been launched in late 2014 and was being sold as a consumer product at the time.
 
When someone sells you something with a clearly stated intention of what they are going to develop, and fails to do so, then they no longer have any claim on the money they've collected. It was not some sort of kickstarter purchase when they were selling the LEP for $180 USD, it was a pre-order for a retail product that had already been launched in late 2014 and was being sold as a consumer product at the time.

I'll ask again - do you need someone to explain 'Lifetime' to you?
 
That because, of, if they say, that they will not intend to so, and will be no end product delivery, such statement will automatically fall into criminal law.
That's why they won't say it, easy.
I understand some LEP owners may feel uncomfortable that they've paid for something which gives FDev so much wiggle room - but its just as is.

Not like FDev is inventing something here. I've seen so much controversies/online drama going with "Season passes" in various games...
 
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I can't agree more.
People fight in the forums (Frontier and Reddit) making speculations and allegations because Frontier communication has always been cryptic and this unfortunately leads to interpretations and "complot theories". See also the legs story with the Krait trailer (guys walking and interacting with the ship rendered with the in-game engine).

Did the trailer state it was in game footage?

IF not then people have themselves to blame for thinking a game trailer with legs hinted at legs beingnjn the actual update.
 
I'm not going to debate semantics with you. It has been explained to you by a number of people that a gamble involves a random outcome defined by chance. An LEP is quite obviously not that. The simple fact is in UK Consumer Law if a 'pack' is sold and costs the consumer more than the individual components this is viewed as tantamount to fraudulent.

What part of that Act do you think FDev are in breach of, and why?

Please show your working.

3rd time of asking...
 
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