New "Hunter" legal status?

[Jmanis]

Anyone know anything more about this?

Take the reference picture below:

I went AFK in a system in supercruise with a bounty on my head... fortunately my ship was tanky, and when I looked back I was being attacked by an NPC ship with "Hunter" in orange, instead of "Clean".

Now, I'm used to seeing:
- Lawless - No criminal repercussions for attacking
- Wanted - No criminal repercussions for attacking, gives bounty

but not Hunter. Presumably, it means the NPC is a bounty hunter of some form, but I wonder what the specific meaning of the status might mean... have encountered plenty of bounty hunters but never actually seen the "Hunter" status before.

PS... didn't take a screenshot coz I was too preoccupied with getting out of dodge.
PPS... my wanted status was an interstellar bounty in Empire, not just a factional bounty.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Anyone know anything more about this?

Take the reference picture below:



I went AFK in a system in supercruise with a bounty on my head... fortunately my ship was tanky, and when I looked back I was being attacked by an NPC ship with "Hunter" in orange, instead of "Clean".

Now, I'm used to seeing:
- Lawless - No criminal repercussions for attacking
- Wanted - No criminal repercussions for attacking, gives bounty

but not Hunter. Presumably, it means the NPC is a bounty hunter of some form, but I wonder what the specific meaning of the status might mean... have encountered plenty of bounty hunters but never actually seen the "Hunter" status before.

PS... didn't take a screenshot coz I was too preoccupied with getting out of dodge.
PPS... my wanted status was an interstellar bounty in Empire, not just a factional bounty.

I'm assuming he used a KWS on the which then gives him the right to attack. Maybe that's how it works. It may also give you the right to defend yourself. Did you get a bounty after killing him?

 

[Achilles7]

A law-abiding citizen from Salford!?!?

...'no wonder you took a screenie!

 

[Vardaugas]

Would not surprise me if they added this status to clarify that the npc shooting at you is actually a bounty hunter with the right to open fire and not a bug.

 

[Trollymctrollerson]

No idea what's going on here. Your screenshot says "Clean". NOT Hunter. Am I missing something?

 

[Stigbob]

I got attacked by a few bounty hunters whilst I had a massive bounty, they are fine were you are wanted outside those area's they got wanted for attacking me and I splashed them. Never actually saw hunter, just went by red or yellow.

They drop G5 mats.

 

[[VR] Deggial]

Would not surprise me if they added this status to clarify that the npc shooting at you is actually a bounty hunter with the right to open fire and not a bug.

Very likely.

But what are the "legal" consequences? Will we ge 'wanted' or not, when fighting back?

Fdev?
Ed?
Brett?
Some clarification would be great!

 

[Gully Foyle]

I would say you can't open fire because he has KSW scanned you and found you to be wanted that's why he changes to Hunter

 

[Drelthar]

As others have said.

This is the equivalent of when you scan with a kill warrant scanner, a ship that is not currently wanted by the current local faction, but has outstanding bounties within the same super powers jursidiction.

When you do this, they have "Warrant" shown instead of wanted. It means you have licence to fire/kill without recourse, as you have detected a legitamate bounty.

When you do this, you become "Hunter" to the one you scanned I suppose.

So, this is what happened, you likely had bounties with the same super power, were then scanned by a kill warrant scanner, and are now a legit target to that one character that scanned you.

If you fire back, you will get a local bounty too.

 

[Speedcuffs]

As others have said.

This is the equivalent of when you scan with a kill warrant scanner, a ship that is not currently wanted by the current local faction, but has outstanding bounties within the same super powers jursidiction.

When you do this, they have "Warrant" shown instead of wanted. It means you have licence to fire/kill without recourse, as you have detected a legitamate bounty.

When you do this, you become "Hunter" to the one you scanned I suppose.

So, this is what happened, you likely had bounties with the same super power, were then scanned by a kill warrant scanner, and are now a legit target to that one character that scanned you.

If you fire back, you will get a local bounty too.

Ah, thanks.
This is what I'm thinking when I see 'Warrant'.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

If you fire back, you will get a local bounty too.

Despite all the convoluted changes to C&P, Elite is still very “Wild West”, and should, as far as I’m concerned, adopt the rather American philosophy of “Stand Your Ground”, wherein, while it should remain unlawful to open fire on someone (in the case of Elite) who is not designated either by default or as a result of a Warrant scan, as Wanted, you should be able to return fire in self defense, except where your attacker is a local authority ship. I’ve been hounded by NPC Bounty hunters on a few occasions - usually as a result of scanning things I shouldn’t. But it should not be an offense to defend yourself from these over-zealous and oft under-armed aggressors.

 

[Factabulous]

I’ve been hounded by NPC Bounty hunters on a few occasions - usually as a result of scanning things I shouldn’t. But it should not be an offense to defend yourself from these over-zealous and oft under-armed aggressors.

Errrrm, no. If a clean ship wants to bounty hunt you - because you have a bounty - then you should not be able to fire back without further consequences. Happened to me today - I got a bounty due to a scan mission, and I got hounded by a clean bounty hunting NPC - I chose to run rather than get a murder bounty - they had right on their side.

And they weren't marked as a hunter, so a lot of the theorycrafting above is ... incorrect.

 

[Drelthar]

Despite all the convoluted changes to C&P, Elite is still very “Wild West”, and should, as far as I’m concerned, adopt the rather American philosophy of “Stand Your Ground”, wherein, while it should remain unlawful to open fire on someone (in the case of Elite) who is not designated either by default or as a result of a Warrant scan, as Wanted, you should be able to return fire in self defense, except where your attacker is a local authority ship. I’ve been hounded by NPC Bounty hunters on a few occasions - usually as a result of scanning things I shouldn’t. But it should not be an offense to defend yourself from these over-zealous and oft under-armed aggressors.

I see your point, however, the thing with that is, you could keep your bounty really low while still killing a lot of "law abiding" and "helpful" criminal hunters.

For instance, say I destroy your ship when you are clean, or merely rob you and then leave.

If someone then comes after me for that bounty, I merely have to wait for them to take one shot, then I am free to kill them too, with no consequence.

Errrrm, no. If a clean ship wants to bounty hunt you - because you have a bounty - then you should not be able to fire back without further consequences. Happened to me today - I got a bounty due to a scan mission, and I got hounded by a clean bounty hunting NPC - I chose to run rather than get a murder bounty - they had right on their side.

And they weren't marked as a hunter, so a lot of the theorycrafting above is ... incorrect.

Yes, because you were wanted in the local system.

The "hunter" thing will only occur, if your not wanted in the local system, but have a bounty in the same super power jurisdiction, and then get scanned with a kill warrant scanner.

For instance, you commit crimes in the Sol system, a federation controlled area, and now have a bounty with the local faction - Mother Gaia (I think that's one of em?)

You then move to Barnards star, which is also a federal controlled system (I assume...) but Mother Gaia has no presence there, instead it has... Barnards star federal hardbutts (or something). You are not wanted in this system specifically.

A bounty hunter scans you with a kill warrant scanner, which grants them a kill warrant, due to Mother Gaia and Barnards Star Federal Hardbutts sharing the federation as a super power.

You are now a legit target for the bounty hunter, who will now show as "hunter"

I will confess though, I am assuming this is what is displayed, as I have never seen it, but it seems to make sense considering that when you scan someone in such a way, you see their status as "warrant" instead of "wanted" I am assuming this is just the opposit end of that display.

 

[Vasious]

You are clean in current faction Jurisdiction
You have bounty in another faction Jurisdiction that is aligned to the same super power as the current Jurisdiction
Bounty Hunter uses KWS on you
Your Status goes from Clean to Warranted
Theirs goes to Hunter to show who has the kill warrant for you

 

[Speedcuffs]

My brain hurts now.:S

 

[Factabulous]

Yes, because you were wanted in the local system.

The "hunter" thing will only occur, if your not wanted in the local system, but have a bounty in the same super power jurisdiction, and then get scanned with a kill warrant scanner.

Nope. I'd already moved systems to one where I wasn't wanted. But carry on theorycrafting, you seem to be having fun

 

[MickyG1982]

Anyone know anything more about this?

Take the reference picture below:



I went AFK in a system in supercruise with a bounty on my head... fortunately my ship was tanky, and when I looked back I was being attacked by an NPC ship with "Hunter" in orange, instead of "Clean".

Now, I'm used to seeing:
- Lawless - No criminal repercussions for attacking
- Wanted - No criminal repercussions for attacking, gives bounty

but not Hunter. Presumably, it means the NPC is a bounty hunter of some form, but I wonder what the specific meaning of the status might mean... have encountered plenty of bounty hunters but never actually seen the "Hunter" status before.

PS... didn't take a screenshot coz I was too preoccupied with getting out of dodge.
PPS... my wanted status was an interstellar bounty in Empire, not just a factional bounty.

Forgive me for being dense but are you sure that screenshot is illustrative of your point?

All I can see there in terms of legal status is "clean".

 

[Jukelo]

Nope. I'd already moved systems to one where I wasn't wanted. But carry on theorycrafting, you seem to be having fun

You were wanted in another jurisdiction aligned with the same superpower.

 

[FrogsFriend]

Nope. I'd already moved systems to one where I wasn't wanted. But carry on theorycrafting, you seem to be having fun

Yes, but did he scan you with a KWS?

 

[Jmanis]

Forgive me for being dense but are you sure that screenshot is illustrative of your point?

All I can see there in terms of legal status is "clean".

The screenshot was just to show the specific region of the UI which I was querying about; I didn't have time to get a screenshot showing Hunter. I just wanted to make it clear that it was that area of the screen, not the bottom-right (at the fuel gauge) where "WANTED", "WARRANT", "Illegal Cargo", "Speeding", "Illegal Passenger" etc appear.

You are clean in current faction Jurisdiction
You have bounty in another faction Jurisdiction that is aligned to the same super power as the current Jurisdiction
Bounty Hunter uses KWS on you
Your Status goes from Clean to Warranted
Theirs goes to Hunter to show who has the kill warrant for you

Main reason I brought this up was that I *wasn't* clean in the current system (per your first thing), otherwise I probably would have guessed the connection. At the time I had an Intergalactic Bounty in Imperial space, and was most definitely wanted, not warranted (from a scan), in the local jurisdiction.